Abort Team or Abort Tease?

[Bob]

ThomZajac wrote:tom jeffers wrote:i think the cia is really subservant to a degree to the shadow government, MIC, Bankers, Rothchildes whatever. the biggest business in the world is the importing exporting of drugs and the cia uses their connections to keep it all going. the cia gets their cut to fund their black operations but the power behind the scenes are the descendants of the british bankers that made fortunes in the opium traffic with china. they only difference between the cia and the mob is that the cia pretends to be the good guys and covertly are the bad guys. the mobsters don't pretend, they just lay low.tom]The CIA offered the US government a means to do to things secretly- things the government could not do openly. It was not an 'intelligence' agency- it was a 'covert operations' agency. After its inception in 1947, the CIA acted mostly at the direction (orders) of the president and the visible aspects of the US government. Soon the CIA came to realize that it could do things are its own, sometimes secretly, sometimes in defiance of the president (Gary Powers U2 mission), and to better accomplish this, the CIA needed to procure money from outside Congress, hence drugs and arms trades, and aid from very rich banking and oil interests. As the 'Greater CIA' grew in power, its belligerence also grew to the point where they viewed troublesome president's in contempt, and when JFK threatenedd, and acted, to greatly reduce the CIA's power, he essentially sealed his own fate as the bankers and oil men (and LBJ and Hoover) were all too happy to participate.There is a great JFK quote where he states something along the lines that the greatest threat to America is a coup d'etat from within, emanating from within the CIA, but I've can't seem to find it. Ken?That quote came from an article by Arthur Krock of the New York Times shortly before the assassination, who was JFK's closest ally in the press. Krock also helped JFK write one of his books. Here is the article...The New York Times, October 3, 1963 "The Intra-Administration War in Vietnam" by Arthur Krock --------------------------------------------------------------------------------WASHINGTON, Oct 2 The Central Intelligence Agency is getting a very bad press in dispatches from Vietnam to American newspapers and in articles originating in Washington. Like the Supreme Court when under fire, the CIA cannot defend itself in public retorts to criticisms of its activities as they occur. But, unlike the Supreme Court, the CIA has no open record of its activities on which the public can base a judgment of the validity of the criticisms. Also, the agency is precluded from using the indirect defensive tactic which is constantly employed by all other Government units under critical fire. This tactic is to give information to the press, under a seal of confidence, that challenges or rebuts the critics. But the CIA cannot father such inspired articles, because to do so would require some disclosure of its activities. And not only does the effectiveness of the agency depend on the secrecy of its operations. Every President since the C. I. A. was created has protected this secrecy from claimants Congress or the public through the press, for examples of the right to share any part of it. With High Frequency This Presidential policy has not, however, always restrained other executive units from going confidentially to the press with attacks on CIA operations in their common field of responsibility. And usually it has been possible to deduce these operational details from the nature of the attacks. But the peak of the practice has recently been reached in Vietnam and in Washington. This is revealed almost every day now in dispatches from reporters in close touch with intra-Administration critics of the CIA ñ with excellent reputations for reliability. One reporter in this category is Richard Starnes of the Scripps-Howard newspapers. Today, under a Saigon dateline, he related that, "according to a high United States source here, twice the CIA flatly refused to carry out instructions from Ambassador Herny Cabot Lodge [and] in one instance frustrated a plan of action Mr. Lodge brought from Washington because the agency disagreed with it." Among the views attributed to United States officials on the scene, including one described as a "very high American official who has spent much of his life in the service of democracy" are the following: The CIA's growth was "LIKENED TO A MALIGNANCY" which the very high offical was not sure even the White House could control "ANY LONGER." "If the United States ever experiences an attempt at a coup to overthrow the Government, it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon". The Agency "represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone". Disorderly Government Whatever else these passages disclose, They most certainly establish that representatives of other excutive branches have expanded their war against the CIA from the inner government councils to the American people via the press. And published simultaneously are details of the agency's operations in Vietnam that can come only from the same critical official sources. This is disorderly government. And the longer the President tolerates it the period already is considerable the greater will grow its potential of hampering the real war against the Vietcong and the impression of a very indecisive Administration in Washington. The CIA may be guilty as charged. Since it cannot, or at any rate will not, openly defend its record in Vietnam, or defend it by the same confidential press "briefings" employed by its critics, the public is not in a position to judge. Nor is this department, which sought and failed to get even the outlines of the agency's case in rebuttal. But Mr. Kennedy will have to make judgment if the spectacle of war within the Executive branch is to be ended and the effective functioning of the CIA. preserved. And when he makes this judgment, hopefully he also will make it public, as the appraisal of fault on which it is based. Doubtless recommendations as to what his judgment should be were made to him today by Secretary of Defense McNamara and General Taylor on their return from their fact-finding expedition into the embattled official jungle in Saigon.

[ThomZajac]

You are awesome, Bob. Here's the quote, or at least part of it."If the United States ever experiences an attempt at a coup to overthrow the Government, it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon". -JFKThis one is good too-The Agency "represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone". -JFKMany thanks!

[tom jeffers]

i do not disagree with either of you. but i believe the cia has had a metamorphisas so to speak over the years. they work for the shadow government that also controls the mossad, mi6, and russian secret police.

[ThomZajac]

The Supreme Wizards.

[tom jeffers]

do you think that it would be possible for them to pull off a one world government if they did not already have the intelligence agencies working for them? that would have been high on their list to get control over, after all intelligence is the key.

[ThomZajac]

You are right on, Tom.It's intelligence and the three M's: Money, Media, Military.

[Bob]

ThomZajac wrote:You are right on, Tom.It's intelligence and the three M's: Money, Media, Military.There's a fourth one Thom...MASS Bullshit!

[JDThomas]

In addition to the post above, I have now recently ready an old quote from Tosh saying that the plane did not land in Dallas until 06:30 and Roselli got off it at 07:00. This leaves no time for a journey to the motel where James files say he picked Roselli up at around 07:00.Either someone's timing is off here or we have to make a call on the evidence of one or the other

[steve manning]

Good point Mr. Thomas! I appreciate your eye for synthesis and coherence by your willingness to rank the evidence and prepare yourself to call one of them as untrue or inaccurate. You're a clear thinker, and we can use more like you on this forum.Great job!Steve

[Dealey Joe]

As you kow I always look at the back side of things, Plumlee said they landed first at Red Bird because of weather? I can't see the weather being much different between Red Bird and Love Field, they are very close together, it would have been at most a 15 min drive from Red Bird to the Cabana, was the landing time at Love exact or approximate? If transportation was waiting it was maybe 3 min to Cabana? I just don't see that you can have any way of figuring the time map.