Zapruder film alteration or not?

[Bob]

Phil Dragoo wrote:Zapruder was a crony of Byrd and Murchison, a business partner of the wife of DeMohrenschildt.CD Jackson was a psyops specialist under Ike.Horne established the Event I & II at NPIC involving Brugioni and McMahon in compartmentalized ops producing separate briefing boards.Horne spends two hundred pages in Volume IV on the Zap film.Fetzer offers considerable attention to the Zap film as did Twyman.Jimmy saw the rear blowout but it's not on the Zap film.What we get is a blackened back of the head.The big blob is a cartoon, doesn't correlate to the Parkland or Bethesda witnesses.Now Dunkel has it and insists it has a couple of missing frames and a couple of splices.I wouldn't take Dunkel's word on whether it were raining--the sky in his world isn't a color we would recognize.I couldn't have said it much better Phil. Read Volume IV in Doug Horne's book if you want to find out what happened to the Zapruder film after the assassination. It changed my mind, although I was on the fence a bit then. If you haven't read Horne's book...you have to. At least that volume. It was DEFINITELY altered. Plus Zapruder is connected to some of the conspirators as Phil says. AGAIN, please see this...Abraham Zapruder, Clint Murchison (owner of the Dallas Cowboys at that time) , Mr. D.H. Byrd, (owner of the Texas School Book Depository and the founder of the LCAP), Sarah Hughes, who swore LBJ in as the 36th President while Air Force One was still on the ground in Dallas, George DeMohrenschildt, (CIA contract agent AND best friend of LHO), George Bu$h (also close friend of George DeMohrenschildt), Neil Mallon, (mentor that Bu$h named his son, Neil, after), H.L. Hunt, & Demitri Von Mohrenschildt (George D's brother).Zapruder also belonged to the Dallas Petroleum Club, whose membership also included Byrd, Bu$h, DeMohrenshildt and David Phillips. In 1953 and 1954 a woman named, Jeanne LeGon worked SIDE by SIDE with Abraham Zapruder at a high end clothing design firm called, Nardis of Dallas. Jeanne LeGon designed the clothing and Abraham Zapruder cut the patterns and the material for her.Incidentally, Abraham Zapruder's obituary mis-states the date/year that he departed Nardis of Dallas, incorrectly citing 1949. The correct year was 1959, [the same year that his "partner in design" Jeanne LeGon became known as, Jean LeGon DeMohrenschildt... She had married Lee Oswald's BEST FRIEND (to be), CIA Contract Agent, George DeMohrenschildt!Also consider this...And DO NOT forget that Zapruder gave his film to Time-Life. Time-Life kept this film under wraps for years so the American public could not view it. But WHO owned Time-Life then? Henry Luce. A Bonesman from 1920. Good friends of Prescott Bu$h, another Bonesman.Horne's book also talks about the autopsy at Bethesda a lot. An autopsy that was controlled by Roy Kellerman once he arrived at Bethesda, with help from Bill Greer. The two guys that led JFK to the slaughter in Dealey Plaza. Luckily, Kellerman wasn't present when Thom Robinson was allowed to stay at the pre-autopsy procedure. Kellerman also controlled all the entrances of the coffin of JFK at various times, to make it look like JFK had just arrived, when he had been at Bethesda since 6:35.

[andries]

what a great example this is,i,m beginning to believethe dark side is indeed smarter than us there message and answer from them to us is simple and clear,no a thousand timesand what are we debating peneauts over just one no wouldn,t it be smarter to give more word and publicity on far better arguments that we have in large numbers, and all agree on, and wich nobody can,t dismiss.the film alone with or without alteration or an even tapdancing fred astaire on the hood off the car, can not fade away the real mesage it shows us and the huge difficultys wich those bastards fiered and faced, and how on earth to convince the public thatthere weren no shots from the front.

[tom jeffers]

i have read that the film was shown to hollywood special effects people and they all concurred that the film had been tampered with. there were too many points to consider but one was where some images were blurred, indicating camera shake and other images were clear in the same frame such as the sign.

[Dealey Joe]

Tom I am not saying that the Zapruder film has not been altered or maybe even a total fabrication?I don't know.I have also read and heard that alterations have been proven. If so, where is the proof.One thing that concerns me about all these books are where are the facts, after seeing opinion after opinion weget to thinking that opinion is indeed fact?The Look magazine pictures out on the book stand in less than a week shows only one sign of coverup and that is the headshot.You can see where they have darkened over the back part of the head that shows consistancy with the rear of the head blow out.The doctored film shows the right front blow out. I for sure think that is a probable forgery

[tom jeffers]

joe,there is no proof unless you were there and saw the film being doctored up. all we have is opinions from so-called experts. either you believe them or you don't. for me, i need more than one source to form an opinion. many of the witnesses near the head shot initially said that the limo came to a stop or slowed so much that it appeared the limo was standing still untill after the head shot and then the limo excellerated quickly out of the plaza. the z film shows that the limo was going about 8 miles per hour until after the headshot. also the people seen in the film are larger than scale in the background. many people are looking in another direction right as the president is passing by. if you were there wouldn't you be following the limo? as far as proof, do you want someone to testify that they helped alter the film? do you think that would matter? look at jimmy's confession. nobody believes him so why would anyone believe any confession that goes against the generally accepted "facts" that are contained in the warren report?namaste'

[Dealey Joe]

Tom I would think a lab could examine the film and iisue its professional findings.Maybe they have? but I have not seen it.I suppose we should go on o bigger and better things.

[Bob]

For those of you who haven't read Doug Horne's book yet, or at least Volume IV, here are some bullet points from Doug's appearance on Black Op Radio on December 10th, 2009, when he talks about the Zapruder film alteration. You can listen to Horne's appearance by going into the archive section of BOR. Play Part Two Interview - Doug Horne There were two brain examinations a week apart The images of Kennedy's sectioned brain do not exist in the archives The images that do exist are not the images taken by John Stringer The archived images show a primarily intact brain. The witnesses stated otherwise Boswell stated that the top and right side and right rear of the skull were missing Doug calls the Boswell diagram a "con job" 3 pieces of skull found after the assassination and all are now missing The Harper Fragment... Evidence of a rear exit wound...And a shot from the front Questioning the authenticity of the Zapruder Film and a bit of it's history Why Doug now believes the Z film is not authentic Analyzing the film for authenticity A few points attest to an authentic film but there are problems The intrasprocket images extend too far on the archived film The test shots do not show the penetration of intra-sprocket images the Z film does The inference is that the original was reprinted on the archive film and was not original Proof is provided by the contact copies not showing the intra-sprocket images Doug could not get a test film made using the Z camera to prove or disprove penetration He recently found out that this test is the very first thing that should have been done Chain of custody questions... Strange negotiations by Life Magazine The CIA's NPIC photo center created two briefing boards by two separate crews The second film was a 16mm film, not the 8mm slit film The 16mm film was a sanitized copy of the Zapruder film The study of the Z film by the Hollywood team shows alteration of JFK's head The fakery was terrible and very easy to spot and seven experts attest to the alteration Conclusion: The Z Film constitutes irrefutable evidence of a US government cover-up Just one more fraud in the JFK assassination saga... virtually every piece of evidence shows fraud Doug thanks Rex Bradford for all of his help in helping create the book

[ThomZajac]

I wish I wasn't so busy-Thom

[ThomZajac]

This thread was started by Wim in response to a letter I wrote him (thinking that I had publicly taken issue with some of his view perhaps once too often).Hi Wim,Again, thanks for all your research, discoveries and devotion. I'm not sure I believe Files fired the fatal shot that day, but I do certainly believe he was in Dallas and that he was very well connected with the mafia/CIA. I will continue to keep an open mind.Am puzzled why you continue to dismiss Zapruder film alteration as 'hogwash.' Obviously I strongly disagree, but my real beef is the lack of respect you afford this conclusion. Hogwash? No, it is not.ThomWim suggested we take this discussion to the forum, and so here we are.I don't think I am going to be able to convince anyone who currently believes otherwise, that the Zapruder film has been significantly altered. I'm confident I could do that in a court of law if provided access to all key materials- I'll let you know when that happens.What I think I might be able to do, is convince some of you that there is ample reason to believe the film may have been altered. Hopefully, this will lead to further examination of the issue, and a perhaps a changing of views down the road.In making the case for alteration, there are two distinct avenues to pursue:1) is there anything on the film that proves it to be altered- such as people making movement that defy the laws or physics, or evidence of splicing, or missing frames, or frames out of sequence, or 'touched' up frames? and 2) Does the film not accurately depict events that have been established as fact, such as motorcycle movements, or the color of a spectator's shoes?In my opinion, evidence constituting proof can be demonstrated multiple times on both avenues, and I am deeply surprised that this question is still in debate.LIFE (CIA) gained control of the film from the outset and refused to let anyone see it. Then they printed frames of it in the magazine- with frames out of sequence to support the government's version of events. Think about this: the first time the public gets to view the Zapruder film (in frame form) IT IS ALTERED. No question about it. Admitted to be so. FACT.And that was just the opening act.The view that the Zapruder film has not been altered, in my opinion, is simply untenable.Thom

[kenmurray]

By David Healy:http://www.jfkresearch.com/Technical_Aspects.pdf