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04.11.2009 - Bob Fox, a decades long great friend who is a brilliant author, researcher, student, and writer of JFK and Related Subject
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Material. Bob alleges, and many agree, that David Atlee Phillips, the CIA Handler of both Lee Harvey Oswald and James Earl Sutton-
Files a/k/a Jimmy Files, is seen in a photo of Lee Harvey Oswald's Press Conference.
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David Atlee Phillips at LHO's Press Conference from Bob Fox:
David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:17 pm
Chris found a great photo of Lee Harvey Oswald's press conference the night of the assassination at Dallas police headquarters. One of the people in the photo looks a lot like David Atlee Phillips, Oswald's CIA handler, and also the CIA handler of Jimmy Files. Take a look at that photo and also one that actually is Phillips near CIA headquarters. Okay, look at the top photo first with Oswald having a press conference. Look at the guy in between the guy with the white cowboy hat and the guy reaching out the microphone. See the guy I am referring to? He is directly behind those two looking at Oswald intently. The man looks a lot like Phillips. Is it the same man in both photos? And why was he at the press conference and so close to Oswald?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:01 pm
Now it's assuumed by many experts that David Atlee Phillips and General Edward Lansdale were the brains behind the JFK asassination. Again, here is what Pasquale had posted from the book Interview with History: The JFK Assassination written by "Pamela J. Ray with James E. Files"I saw Kennedy’s head explode. At that moment, I knew he was dead. I knew that no one could survive that hit. I removed the shell casing, placed it in my mouth bit the casing and placed it on the fence, laid the Fireball back in the case, closed it and walked away. As I walked away from the fence, I saw the cop drop the motorcycle on its side and run up the hill with another cop close by. They were stopped by two men wearing suites and showing some kind of ID’s. I was preparing to pull my Colt .45 from under my jacket and shoot them when they were stopped. I just kept right on walking like I was going back to work from my lunch break.2006 update: Edward G. Lansdale talked to James Files when he was behind the picket fence up on the grassy knoll waiting for JFK’s motorcade to arrive. Files said Lansdale asked if everyone was in place and Files said Nicoletti and Roselli were in the Dal-Tex building and he was only supposed to fire if the target, JFK, was not hit. He did not talk about other “teams” but only what immediately concerned him. Earlier in the call, Files mentioned that the “CIA person” had a radio with him and was considered the “grounds controller on station” for the CIA that day. Files was reluctant to tell me Lansdale’s name on the phone when he mentioned that there were different size footprints behind the fence imprinted in the mud. I guessed Lansdale’s name Files didn’t want to say and he quickly changed the subject. I was a little slow in getting his hint and when he yelled in the phone one more time I understood to shut up already. You won’t read that information anywhere else…especially in an FBI report. (Commenting on recent material in 2006 I sent him for review)JF: Hey a lot of this stuff refreshes my memories. A lot of it makes me think of things – it brings up names and stuff. PR: That’s why I sent it to you, but if I send too much or stuff you don’t want, just trash it.JF: There is one thing I was a little concerned about…PR: What?JF: Okay, like I told ya before, my interview I always told the truth, I just didn’t tell all of it. PR: I know.JF: Now then. When I pulled the trigger on Kennedy, behind the stockade fence, I was alone. Now prior to that, I did have a visitor. Before the motorcade ever got within reach. PR: Who?JF: Huh?PR: Who? JF: I don’t think we should, I don’t think we should use the name or not, I’m debating on that. I don’t know if I should tell ya the name or not. But see there were two sets of footprints…all the footprints back there? PR: Um-hmJF: Some were overlapping the other ones which meant the party had to have been there while I was there at the same time, cause we were walking back and forth, we were overlapping each other’s footsteps, when we were turning, you know what I mean? PR: Um-hmJF: And they know they were made by two different sets of shoes. PR: Would I know the name if you said it? JF: Oh yes! (Pause) strictly CIA…and it was not David Phillips. This guy was grounds coordinator. He was coordinator for operations. (Cough) But Like I say, I don’t know if we want to put his name in there or not…we might raise trouble with a lawsuit…I don’t want to put you in danger from putting it out there…that’s one of the things I’m in turmoil with right now. PR: When you wrote to me about two different shoe sizes, I thought maybe you wore two different shoe sizes that day…JF: No, no, no, no…PR: …just to confuse people.JF: No, no, no, no, no…I wasn’t that smart back then.PR: I thought maybe you did something like that.JF: No. The other party wanted to know if everything was in place – team was ready – we was gonna do our thing – he wanted to know where everybody was, you know, about the guys I was with, he was referring to like Chuck and Johnny. PR: Right.JF: So… (pause) well like I say, we can bring this up but I don’t know if we’re gonna put his name in there or not.PR: Before you said “The CIA wasn’t involved as much…” and now you’re saying they were…JF: They was involv…I tried to keep the CIA out of it…I tried to keep them happy as possible, and it’s just not gonna work ‘cause everybody knows they were involved so why cover it?PR: Right.JF: But the whole thing was this, I did what I felt was right the first time around, but like I say, when I pulled the trigger, I was alone. And as far I was concerned, there was nobody involved but Chuck, Johnny Roselli and me. And that was it. But there’s powers beyond, they didn’t pull the trigger but they were powers that were working. PR: Did you talk to Ed Lansdale that day?(Silence)PR: Jimmy? Hello…JF: I’m sorry. We’re breaking up…I couldn’t hear you on that one. PR: I said, “Did you ta…”JF: I know, I know, I said I’m breaking up. PR: Honey did you…JF: How are you doin’? How ya feelin’? PR: Me?JF: Yeah. PR: Pretty good. JF: Good. (Laugh)PR: I was gonna ask you if…JF: I know you was.PR: Oh okay. Yeah. I feel great. JF: Ya gotta remember…if I say we’re breakin’ up, we’re breakin’ up. You get off of it. (Laugh)PR: Honey I’m not used to your codes as much as I should be…JF: I know. PR: ‘cause I don’t really talk like that. Sorry.JF: Anyway though, we’ll worry about all that stuff later. Now...look at this photo that many people including Fletcher Prouty, who knew Lansdale very well, thought was Lansdale walking by the tramps...Look at a close up and notice the large class ring that Lansdale always wore..."The haircut, the stoop, the twisted left hand, the large class ring. It's Lansdale." - Lt. Gen. Victor Krulak
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:40 am
Bob, regarding the Phillips picture and the picture of Oswald at the press conference, there IS a resemblance, but I need a better picture of David Phillips to compare it. The hair line looks very similar as do the ears. The mouth and eyebrows are difficult to compare because of the grainy quality of the Phillips photo.At this point, I kind of doubt that Phillips would risk getting his picture taken, but I could be wrong.There IS a resemblance, but if we compare a better picture of Phillips, I'll be able to give you a better analysis, and I'll tell you why I do or do not think it's him.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by turtleman » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:30 am
I do see a resemblance but I would ask what would he be doing at LHO's press conference. And if he did feel some need to be there he would surely go undercover. I would think that would be the last place he would want his mug to show up on a photo. Not to mention if Oswald saw him he could have really made a scene. I just don't see it. I am much more interested in Lansdale's pic walking against the 3 tramps.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:58 am
Good find, Christoph, and good post, Bob.There's a photo in "The Zapruder Film" (David Wrone) that must have been taken a few seconds after the one Christoph found, and from slightly to the right. You can still see the *maybe* David Atlee Phillips, looking very intently at Oswald, but he's almost out of shot, so you can't see the left eyebrow. "Microphone man" in front of him has crouched/knelt down and is directly in front of Mr maybe DAP.Pasquale, if you can find the thread where Christoph originally posted the photo, a couple of posts later he points out the very distinctive left eyebrow: I think a look at that, and a comparison to the *known* photo of Phillips in the same thread, will convince you it's the same guy. It convinced me.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:28 am
Im sorry but that isnt Phillips
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:54 am
Nice collage, Frenchy Got to disagree with you, though; if you look at the top photo in the left column, you see the distinctive left eyebrow, and then look at the second-from-top photo (the super-imposed one) in the second column; there's that eyebrow again
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:13 am
Look at the marks on Phillips face, that Antonio Veciana testified to:
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:39 am
Here is why I do think it was plausible for Phillips to be at the press conference. First, the patsy (Oswald) was supposed to be killed before he was arrested and interrogated. That did not happen, as Tippit instead was killed. Secondly, there were a couple of other people at Dallas police headquarters that Oswald also knew very well, FBI agent Hosty and Jack Ruby. In fact, Ruby corrected a reporter at the press conference that the photo Chris posted was taken from. So I do think that it was very possible that Phillips was at the press conference and perhaps also in the interrogation room, as was Hosty for a time. To the press, Oswald played along and kept things quiet, but also professed his innocence. But Oswald was also VERY calm, cool and collected. Perhaps the presence of Phillips and Hosty made him feel that things would get straightened out, at least in the interrogation room. Why is it that there is absolutely NO record via notes or recording about that interrogation? Oswald supposedly just shot the President of the United States. I think Phillips was concerned that since Oswald lived, instead of being killed, at least on Friday night, that perhaps Oswald might profess his REAL persona to the press. Again, look at that picture. If that is Phillips, he is listening VERY intently. Bottom line, I still believe that the two men in the photos are the same man. The left eye brow. The shape of the nose. The left ear. The chin. The lower lip. You can actually see both photos at the same time if you scroll down just right. The size of the heads are almost exactly the same in the photos.By the way, I sent the photos to a couple of investigative journalists that have studied the JFK assassination in depth. One was Wayne Madsen. Wayne has already responded. He will study this more closely, but his initial response is that he thinks it IS Phillips at the LHO press conference. Madsen was in the NSA and also in Naval intelligence before he became an investigative journalist and Wayne knows all about Phillips.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:22 pm
Bob wrote:Here is why I do think it was plausible for Phillips to be at the press conference. First, the patsy (Oswald) was supposed to be killed before he was arrested and interrogated. That did not happen, as Tippit instead was killed. Secondly, there were a couple of other people at Dallas police headquarters that Oswald also knew very well, FBI agent Hosty and Jack Ruby. In fact, Ruby corrected a reporter at the press conference that the photo Chris posted was taken from. So I do think that it was very possible that Phillips was at the press conference and perhaps also in the interrogation room, as was Hosty for a time. To the press, Oswald played along and kept things quiet, but also professed his innocence. But Oswald was also VERY calm, cool and collected. Perhaps the presence of Phillips and Hosty made him feel that things would get straightened out, at least in the interrogation room. Why is it that there is absolutely NO record via notes or recording about that interrogation? Oswald supposedly just shot the President of the United States. I think Phillips was concerned that since Oswald lived, instead of being killed, at least on Friday night, that perhaps Oswald might profess his REAL persona to the press. Again, look at that picture. If that is Phillips, he is listening VERY intently. Bottom line, I still believe that the two men in the photos are the same man. The left eye brow. The shape of the nose. The left ear. The chin. The lower lip. You can actually see both photos at the same time if you scroll down just right. The size of the heads are almost exactly the same in the photos.By the way, I sent the photos to a couple of investigative journalists that have studied the JFK assassination in depth. One was Wayne Madsen. Wayne has already responded. He will study this more closely, but his initial response is that he thinks it IS Phillips at the LHO press conference. Madsen was in the NSA and also in Naval intelligence before he became an investigative journalist and Wayne knows all about Phillips.You know what, Bob?After looking at the other Phillips pictures, I'm thinking that it IS Phillips at the press conference. The ears are the same as is the shape of the nose. Compare the nose of the "Phillips" in the press conference picture with the picture of Phillips at the bottom right. They're the same. Also, look at the ears. They're the same too.The only reason that I can see that the "Phillips" in the press conference picture might look different is that his mouth is CLOSED and in the other pictures of Phillips, his mouth is open like he's talking or laughing or whatever.How VERY interesting!
Post by Bob Fox » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:17 pm
Chris found a great photo of Lee Harvey Oswald's press conference the night of the assassination at Dallas police headquarters. One of the people in the photo looks a lot like David Atlee Phillips, Oswald's CIA handler, and also the CIA handler of Jimmy Files. Take a look at that photo and also one that actually is Phillips near CIA headquarters. Okay, look at the top photo first with Oswald having a press conference. Look at the guy in between the guy with the white cowboy hat and the guy reaching out the microphone. See the guy I am referring to? He is directly behind those two looking at Oswald intently. The man looks a lot like Phillips. Is it the same man in both photos? And why was he at the press conference and so close to Oswald?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:01 pm
Now it's assuumed by many experts that David Atlee Phillips and General Edward Lansdale were the brains behind the JFK asassination. Again, here is what Pasquale had posted from the book Interview with History: The JFK Assassination written by "Pamela J. Ray with James E. Files"I saw Kennedy’s head explode. At that moment, I knew he was dead. I knew that no one could survive that hit. I removed the shell casing, placed it in my mouth bit the casing and placed it on the fence, laid the Fireball back in the case, closed it and walked away. As I walked away from the fence, I saw the cop drop the motorcycle on its side and run up the hill with another cop close by. They were stopped by two men wearing suites and showing some kind of ID’s. I was preparing to pull my Colt .45 from under my jacket and shoot them when they were stopped. I just kept right on walking like I was going back to work from my lunch break.2006 update: Edward G. Lansdale talked to James Files when he was behind the picket fence up on the grassy knoll waiting for JFK’s motorcade to arrive. Files said Lansdale asked if everyone was in place and Files said Nicoletti and Roselli were in the Dal-Tex building and he was only supposed to fire if the target, JFK, was not hit. He did not talk about other “teams” but only what immediately concerned him. Earlier in the call, Files mentioned that the “CIA person” had a radio with him and was considered the “grounds controller on station” for the CIA that day. Files was reluctant to tell me Lansdale’s name on the phone when he mentioned that there were different size footprints behind the fence imprinted in the mud. I guessed Lansdale’s name Files didn’t want to say and he quickly changed the subject. I was a little slow in getting his hint and when he yelled in the phone one more time I understood to shut up already. You won’t read that information anywhere else…especially in an FBI report. (Commenting on recent material in 2006 I sent him for review)JF: Hey a lot of this stuff refreshes my memories. A lot of it makes me think of things – it brings up names and stuff. PR: That’s why I sent it to you, but if I send too much or stuff you don’t want, just trash it.JF: There is one thing I was a little concerned about…PR: What?JF: Okay, like I told ya before, my interview I always told the truth, I just didn’t tell all of it. PR: I know.JF: Now then. When I pulled the trigger on Kennedy, behind the stockade fence, I was alone. Now prior to that, I did have a visitor. Before the motorcade ever got within reach. PR: Who?JF: Huh?PR: Who? JF: I don’t think we should, I don’t think we should use the name or not, I’m debating on that. I don’t know if I should tell ya the name or not. But see there were two sets of footprints…all the footprints back there? PR: Um-hmJF: Some were overlapping the other ones which meant the party had to have been there while I was there at the same time, cause we were walking back and forth, we were overlapping each other’s footsteps, when we were turning, you know what I mean? PR: Um-hmJF: And they know they were made by two different sets of shoes. PR: Would I know the name if you said it? JF: Oh yes! (Pause) strictly CIA…and it was not David Phillips. This guy was grounds coordinator. He was coordinator for operations. (Cough) But Like I say, I don’t know if we want to put his name in there or not…we might raise trouble with a lawsuit…I don’t want to put you in danger from putting it out there…that’s one of the things I’m in turmoil with right now. PR: When you wrote to me about two different shoe sizes, I thought maybe you wore two different shoe sizes that day…JF: No, no, no, no…PR: …just to confuse people.JF: No, no, no, no, no…I wasn’t that smart back then.PR: I thought maybe you did something like that.JF: No. The other party wanted to know if everything was in place – team was ready – we was gonna do our thing – he wanted to know where everybody was, you know, about the guys I was with, he was referring to like Chuck and Johnny. PR: Right.JF: So… (pause) well like I say, we can bring this up but I don’t know if we’re gonna put his name in there or not.PR: Before you said “The CIA wasn’t involved as much…” and now you’re saying they were…JF: They was involv…I tried to keep the CIA out of it…I tried to keep them happy as possible, and it’s just not gonna work ‘cause everybody knows they were involved so why cover it?PR: Right.JF: But the whole thing was this, I did what I felt was right the first time around, but like I say, when I pulled the trigger, I was alone. And as far I was concerned, there was nobody involved but Chuck, Johnny Roselli and me. And that was it. But there’s powers beyond, they didn’t pull the trigger but they were powers that were working. PR: Did you talk to Ed Lansdale that day?(Silence)PR: Jimmy? Hello…JF: I’m sorry. We’re breaking up…I couldn’t hear you on that one. PR: I said, “Did you ta…”JF: I know, I know, I said I’m breaking up. PR: Honey did you…JF: How are you doin’? How ya feelin’? PR: Me?JF: Yeah. PR: Pretty good. JF: Good. (Laugh)PR: I was gonna ask you if…JF: I know you was.PR: Oh okay. Yeah. I feel great. JF: Ya gotta remember…if I say we’re breakin’ up, we’re breakin’ up. You get off of it. (Laugh)PR: Honey I’m not used to your codes as much as I should be…JF: I know. PR: ‘cause I don’t really talk like that. Sorry.JF: Anyway though, we’ll worry about all that stuff later. Now...look at this photo that many people including Fletcher Prouty, who knew Lansdale very well, thought was Lansdale walking by the tramps...Look at a close up and notice the large class ring that Lansdale always wore..."The haircut, the stoop, the twisted left hand, the large class ring. It's Lansdale." - Lt. Gen. Victor Krulak
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:40 am
Bob, regarding the Phillips picture and the picture of Oswald at the press conference, there IS a resemblance, but I need a better picture of David Phillips to compare it. The hair line looks very similar as do the ears. The mouth and eyebrows are difficult to compare because of the grainy quality of the Phillips photo.At this point, I kind of doubt that Phillips would risk getting his picture taken, but I could be wrong.There IS a resemblance, but if we compare a better picture of Phillips, I'll be able to give you a better analysis, and I'll tell you why I do or do not think it's him.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by turtleman » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:30 am
I do see a resemblance but I would ask what would he be doing at LHO's press conference. And if he did feel some need to be there he would surely go undercover. I would think that would be the last place he would want his mug to show up on a photo. Not to mention if Oswald saw him he could have really made a scene. I just don't see it. I am much more interested in Lansdale's pic walking against the 3 tramps.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:58 am
Good find, Christoph, and good post, Bob.There's a photo in "The Zapruder Film" (David Wrone) that must have been taken a few seconds after the one Christoph found, and from slightly to the right. You can still see the *maybe* David Atlee Phillips, looking very intently at Oswald, but he's almost out of shot, so you can't see the left eyebrow. "Microphone man" in front of him has crouched/knelt down and is directly in front of Mr maybe DAP.Pasquale, if you can find the thread where Christoph originally posted the photo, a couple of posts later he points out the very distinctive left eyebrow: I think a look at that, and a comparison to the *known* photo of Phillips in the same thread, will convince you it's the same guy. It convinced me.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:28 am
Im sorry but that isnt Phillips
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:54 am
Nice collage, Frenchy Got to disagree with you, though; if you look at the top photo in the left column, you see the distinctive left eyebrow, and then look at the second-from-top photo (the super-imposed one) in the second column; there's that eyebrow again
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:13 am
Look at the marks on Phillips face, that Antonio Veciana testified to:
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:39 am
Here is why I do think it was plausible for Phillips to be at the press conference. First, the patsy (Oswald) was supposed to be killed before he was arrested and interrogated. That did not happen, as Tippit instead was killed. Secondly, there were a couple of other people at Dallas police headquarters that Oswald also knew very well, FBI agent Hosty and Jack Ruby. In fact, Ruby corrected a reporter at the press conference that the photo Chris posted was taken from. So I do think that it was very possible that Phillips was at the press conference and perhaps also in the interrogation room, as was Hosty for a time. To the press, Oswald played along and kept things quiet, but also professed his innocence. But Oswald was also VERY calm, cool and collected. Perhaps the presence of Phillips and Hosty made him feel that things would get straightened out, at least in the interrogation room. Why is it that there is absolutely NO record via notes or recording about that interrogation? Oswald supposedly just shot the President of the United States. I think Phillips was concerned that since Oswald lived, instead of being killed, at least on Friday night, that perhaps Oswald might profess his REAL persona to the press. Again, look at that picture. If that is Phillips, he is listening VERY intently. Bottom line, I still believe that the two men in the photos are the same man. The left eye brow. The shape of the nose. The left ear. The chin. The lower lip. You can actually see both photos at the same time if you scroll down just right. The size of the heads are almost exactly the same in the photos.By the way, I sent the photos to a couple of investigative journalists that have studied the JFK assassination in depth. One was Wayne Madsen. Wayne has already responded. He will study this more closely, but his initial response is that he thinks it IS Phillips at the LHO press conference. Madsen was in the NSA and also in Naval intelligence before he became an investigative journalist and Wayne knows all about Phillips.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:22 pm
Bob wrote:Here is why I do think it was plausible for Phillips to be at the press conference. First, the patsy (Oswald) was supposed to be killed before he was arrested and interrogated. That did not happen, as Tippit instead was killed. Secondly, there were a couple of other people at Dallas police headquarters that Oswald also knew very well, FBI agent Hosty and Jack Ruby. In fact, Ruby corrected a reporter at the press conference that the photo Chris posted was taken from. So I do think that it was very possible that Phillips was at the press conference and perhaps also in the interrogation room, as was Hosty for a time. To the press, Oswald played along and kept things quiet, but also professed his innocence. But Oswald was also VERY calm, cool and collected. Perhaps the presence of Phillips and Hosty made him feel that things would get straightened out, at least in the interrogation room. Why is it that there is absolutely NO record via notes or recording about that interrogation? Oswald supposedly just shot the President of the United States. I think Phillips was concerned that since Oswald lived, instead of being killed, at least on Friday night, that perhaps Oswald might profess his REAL persona to the press. Again, look at that picture. If that is Phillips, he is listening VERY intently. Bottom line, I still believe that the two men in the photos are the same man. The left eye brow. The shape of the nose. The left ear. The chin. The lower lip. You can actually see both photos at the same time if you scroll down just right. The size of the heads are almost exactly the same in the photos.By the way, I sent the photos to a couple of investigative journalists that have studied the JFK assassination in depth. One was Wayne Madsen. Wayne has already responded. He will study this more closely, but his initial response is that he thinks it IS Phillips at the LHO press conference. Madsen was in the NSA and also in Naval intelligence before he became an investigative journalist and Wayne knows all about Phillips.You know what, Bob?After looking at the other Phillips pictures, I'm thinking that it IS Phillips at the press conference. The ears are the same as is the shape of the nose. Compare the nose of the "Phillips" in the press conference picture with the picture of Phillips at the bottom right. They're the same. Also, look at the ears. They're the same too.The only reason that I can see that the "Phillips" in the press conference picture might look different is that his mouth is CLOSED and in the other pictures of Phillips, his mouth is open like he's talking or laughing or whatever.How VERY interesting!
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David Atlee Phillips at LHO's Press Conference from Bob Fox:
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:54 pm
The more i look, the more im unsure.....it may well be Phillips after all
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:30 pm
Frenchy, that's why I posted this...so would could discuss it and debate it. Some people like me think it is Phillips, while others aren't so sure. I will continue to see if I can find other photos as well. I wish we could get a full panoramic view of that press conference to see who was REALLY there. The same goes for photos in front of the TSBD right after the assassination where we have the photograph that looks a lot like Poppy Bu$h in it. But as Jimmy Files said, Dealey Plaza was like a CIA convention on 11/22/1963.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:52 am
Here is some more information for those who may be wondering who David Atlee Phillips was, and what was his connection to Lee Harvey Oswald, James Files and Poppy Bu$h. Here is some great information that describes all that and more in the Poppy Bu$h section of this site...David Atlee Phillips was the mastermind for the CIA staged coup by Pinochet in 1973, as well as the overthrow in 1954 of the Guatemala regime headed by Jacobo Arbenz. He is working closely with CIA officer E. Howard Hunt, another suspect in the plot to kill JFK and the leader of the infamous Watergate burglar team. In the 1950's and 1960's, Phillips is the CIA case officer for the anti Castro Cubans in Havana and Mexico City. He is also the CIA controller for Lee Harvey Oswald and James Files. James Files has confessed that he fired the shot into JFK's head from behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza. This story is completely ignored by the mainstream media, which seems strange, because even if he were lying, one would expect some exposure. The star of David Atlee Phillips rises to CIA director of Covert Operations for the Western Hemisphere. According to his nephew Shawn Phillips, who is quite a famous musician, David Atlee Phillips confirmed to his brother James Atlee Phillips that he was in Dallas the day Kennedy died. Plus you have this...Jim Marrs : During that time, during the time of the Bay of Pigs, while you were training and moving around in the Caribbean, No Name Key and all that, did you ever hear the name George Herbert Walker Bush? James Files: Oh Yeah! Jim Marrs: What was his role? James Files: George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't know if, I think a lot of people are not going to believe this, but he worked for the CIA back as early as 1961 that I know of. Jim Marrs : How did he work? What did he do? James Files : I don't know all he did, but he did a lot of recruiting work. I know he was there at the beginning for what we called Group 40, a special operations group, Group 40. If you wonder what Group 40 was, an assassination group. Operation 40 was a top secret CIA project to train selected cuban exiles in guerrilla warfare and assassinations, aimed against the Castro regime. Apart from Felix Rodriguez, other members were now infamous CIA agents and Anti Castro terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, Guillermo and Ignacio Novo Sampoll and later Watergate plumbers Frank Sturgis, Eugenio Martinez, Virgilio Gonzalez and E. Howard Hunt. Most of the operation 40 members were recruited from JM/Wave, a much larger clandestine operation to train a cuban exile army for the Bay of Pigs invasion. JM/Wave is headed by CIA official Theodore Shackley. James Files, the confessed gunman on the grassy knoll, was recruited for the CIA by David Atlee Phillips on a recommendation of Ted Shackley. Shackley becomes George Bush's deputy director for Covert Operations in 1976. The CIA controller of JFK's assassin is provably close to Shackley, Shackley is provably close to Bush. Not significant?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by mark ferguson » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:13 pm
Bob,As usual you make several good points. I think the photo looks like Phillips. It seems that the CIA was so self absorbed back then that they gave little concern to a blown cover. From all that I have read through the years, these guys thought they were beyond any questioning of their activities and also seem to have no regard for the the US Constitution. Maybe some things never change. Thanks for all the great info and discussion on this board. Wim has done a great service to our nation if only people would notice.Mark F
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:28 am
Thanks Mark. And as you said, Wim is the main reason why we have more illumination on what REALLY happened on 11/22/1963. We have to keep looking meanwhile for more pieces of the puzzle. And I think we just found one.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by turtleman » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:18 am
Resemblance yes but the problem I have with that being Phillips is why would he be anywhere near Dallas following the assassination? As much trouble as he went through to cover Maurice Bishop http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0019a.html I find no purpose for him being at a press conference he can watch on tape. How many Cubans could identify him from his work with Alpha 66 as well as all his Central and South American work. Look at the trouble George H.W. Bush went through to distance himself from Dallas. How deep could 41 have been in to spin the crazy and convoluted James Parrot web for his alibi? Were they comparative equals in the Agency? We will probably never know but their modus operandi always leads to a plausible deniability ending. Not to mention as desperate as Oswald was at that point he could have really blown the lid off the situation had he identified Phillips as his controller. If Oswald was part of the "abort" team ( which I think he was) some serious questions could have been raised with an economy of verbage. Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. And identified by witnesses during the HSCA. Phillips was a careful and meticulous man who left few loose ends if any. I am not buying the bold and brazen label for the top echelon involved in the conspiracy and I am not saying I am right, but again I ask what would his reason be for being in Dallas at the press conference? Things could go wrong in a multitude of ways with no apparent upside.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:24 am
katisha wrote: There's a photo in "The Zapruder Film" (David Wrone) that must have been taken a few seconds after the one Christoph found, and from slightly to the right. You can still see the *maybe* David Atlee Phillips, looking very intently at Oswald, but he's almost out of shot, so you can't see the left eyebrow. "Microphone man" in front of him has crouched/knelt down and is directly in front of Mr maybe DAP.Pasquale, if you can find the thread where Christoph originally posted the photo, a couple of posts later he points out the very distinctive left eyebrow: I think a look at that, and a comparison to the *known* photo of Phillips in the same thread, will convince you it's the same guy. It convinced me.There must be other photos from this Oswald press conference, but where? katisha, what do you mean by "in the Zapruder film a few seconds later"?katisha wrote: Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. Where and by whom?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:39 am
Hopefully this vid will answer a few questions...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xawnd59GBU
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:04 am
turtleman wrote:Resemblance yes but the problem I have with that being Phillips is why would he be anywhere near Dallas following the assassination? As much trouble as he went through to cover Maurice Bishop http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0019a.html I find no purpose for him being at a press conference he can watch on tape. How many Cubans could identify him from his work with Alpha 66 as well as all his Central and South American work. Look at the trouble George H.W. Bush went through to distance himself from Dallas. How deep could 41 have been in to spin the crazy and convoluted James Parrot web for his alibi? Were they comparative equals in the Agency? We will probably never know but their modus operandi always leads to a plausible deniability ending. Not to mention as desperate as Oswald was at that point he could have really blown the lid off the situation had he identified Phillips as his controller. If Oswald was part of the "abort" team ( which I think he was) some serious questions could have been raised with an economy of verbage. Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. And identified by witnesses during the HSCA. Phillips was a careful and meticulous man who left few loose ends if any. I am not buying the bold and brazen label for the top echelon involved in the conspiracy and I am not saying I am right, but again I ask what would his reason be for being in Dallas at the press conference? Things could go wrong in a multitude of ways with no apparent upside.Turtleman, I just think that guys like Phillips and Lansdale went to great lengths to plan this assassination. I just think the fact that the patsy (Oswald) was not killed before he was arrested and questioned scared the shit of folks like Phillips. That's why Ruby was used on Sunday morning to finish the job. In actuality, there were a lot of flaws in the planning of the assassination and like Mark said earlier, the rogue unit that planned this were willing to do whatever it took to get the job done, even if it meant more violence and death. Remember what Files said, Dealey Plaza was like a covention for the CIA on 11/22/1963. What's the difference if one is photographed in Dealey Plaza during the assassination or at the Oswald press conference? The conspirators tried to confiscate as much film as possible after the assassination so they couldn't get fingered for the murder. I also believe that Zapruder was there to film the assassination for the conspirators, as he was tied to a lot of them with his background. Some also think that Watergate happened for two reasons. One, for one team to steal documents and photos that could tie the conspirators to the events in Dallas (Files was in on that theft), and for Nixon to get framed by another team (Hunt, Sturgis and Liddy were in on that). I'm sure Phillips had a story to cover why he was at the press conference in case anyone questioned him. Something to cover his ass, just like Hoover and the FBI were doing, even though they were complicit as well.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:15 am
A good detective could probably still find out where these CIA handlers stayed overnight from 21st to 24th of Nov 1963.
Post by Frenchy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:54 pm
The more i look, the more im unsure.....it may well be Phillips after all
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:30 pm
Frenchy, that's why I posted this...so would could discuss it and debate it. Some people like me think it is Phillips, while others aren't so sure. I will continue to see if I can find other photos as well. I wish we could get a full panoramic view of that press conference to see who was REALLY there. The same goes for photos in front of the TSBD right after the assassination where we have the photograph that looks a lot like Poppy Bu$h in it. But as Jimmy Files said, Dealey Plaza was like a CIA convention on 11/22/1963.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:52 am
Here is some more information for those who may be wondering who David Atlee Phillips was, and what was his connection to Lee Harvey Oswald, James Files and Poppy Bu$h. Here is some great information that describes all that and more in the Poppy Bu$h section of this site...David Atlee Phillips was the mastermind for the CIA staged coup by Pinochet in 1973, as well as the overthrow in 1954 of the Guatemala regime headed by Jacobo Arbenz. He is working closely with CIA officer E. Howard Hunt, another suspect in the plot to kill JFK and the leader of the infamous Watergate burglar team. In the 1950's and 1960's, Phillips is the CIA case officer for the anti Castro Cubans in Havana and Mexico City. He is also the CIA controller for Lee Harvey Oswald and James Files. James Files has confessed that he fired the shot into JFK's head from behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza. This story is completely ignored by the mainstream media, which seems strange, because even if he were lying, one would expect some exposure. The star of David Atlee Phillips rises to CIA director of Covert Operations for the Western Hemisphere. According to his nephew Shawn Phillips, who is quite a famous musician, David Atlee Phillips confirmed to his brother James Atlee Phillips that he was in Dallas the day Kennedy died. Plus you have this...Jim Marrs : During that time, during the time of the Bay of Pigs, while you were training and moving around in the Caribbean, No Name Key and all that, did you ever hear the name George Herbert Walker Bush? James Files: Oh Yeah! Jim Marrs: What was his role? James Files: George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't know if, I think a lot of people are not going to believe this, but he worked for the CIA back as early as 1961 that I know of. Jim Marrs : How did he work? What did he do? James Files : I don't know all he did, but he did a lot of recruiting work. I know he was there at the beginning for what we called Group 40, a special operations group, Group 40. If you wonder what Group 40 was, an assassination group. Operation 40 was a top secret CIA project to train selected cuban exiles in guerrilla warfare and assassinations, aimed against the Castro regime. Apart from Felix Rodriguez, other members were now infamous CIA agents and Anti Castro terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, Guillermo and Ignacio Novo Sampoll and later Watergate plumbers Frank Sturgis, Eugenio Martinez, Virgilio Gonzalez and E. Howard Hunt. Most of the operation 40 members were recruited from JM/Wave, a much larger clandestine operation to train a cuban exile army for the Bay of Pigs invasion. JM/Wave is headed by CIA official Theodore Shackley. James Files, the confessed gunman on the grassy knoll, was recruited for the CIA by David Atlee Phillips on a recommendation of Ted Shackley. Shackley becomes George Bush's deputy director for Covert Operations in 1976. The CIA controller of JFK's assassin is provably close to Shackley, Shackley is provably close to Bush. Not significant?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by mark ferguson » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:13 pm
Bob,As usual you make several good points. I think the photo looks like Phillips. It seems that the CIA was so self absorbed back then that they gave little concern to a blown cover. From all that I have read through the years, these guys thought they were beyond any questioning of their activities and also seem to have no regard for the the US Constitution. Maybe some things never change. Thanks for all the great info and discussion on this board. Wim has done a great service to our nation if only people would notice.Mark F
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:28 am
Thanks Mark. And as you said, Wim is the main reason why we have more illumination on what REALLY happened on 11/22/1963. We have to keep looking meanwhile for more pieces of the puzzle. And I think we just found one.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by turtleman » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:18 am
Resemblance yes but the problem I have with that being Phillips is why would he be anywhere near Dallas following the assassination? As much trouble as he went through to cover Maurice Bishop http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0019a.html I find no purpose for him being at a press conference he can watch on tape. How many Cubans could identify him from his work with Alpha 66 as well as all his Central and South American work. Look at the trouble George H.W. Bush went through to distance himself from Dallas. How deep could 41 have been in to spin the crazy and convoluted James Parrot web for his alibi? Were they comparative equals in the Agency? We will probably never know but their modus operandi always leads to a plausible deniability ending. Not to mention as desperate as Oswald was at that point he could have really blown the lid off the situation had he identified Phillips as his controller. If Oswald was part of the "abort" team ( which I think he was) some serious questions could have been raised with an economy of verbage. Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. And identified by witnesses during the HSCA. Phillips was a careful and meticulous man who left few loose ends if any. I am not buying the bold and brazen label for the top echelon involved in the conspiracy and I am not saying I am right, but again I ask what would his reason be for being in Dallas at the press conference? Things could go wrong in a multitude of ways with no apparent upside.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:24 am
katisha wrote: There's a photo in "The Zapruder Film" (David Wrone) that must have been taken a few seconds after the one Christoph found, and from slightly to the right. You can still see the *maybe* David Atlee Phillips, looking very intently at Oswald, but he's almost out of shot, so you can't see the left eyebrow. "Microphone man" in front of him has crouched/knelt down and is directly in front of Mr maybe DAP.Pasquale, if you can find the thread where Christoph originally posted the photo, a couple of posts later he points out the very distinctive left eyebrow: I think a look at that, and a comparison to the *known* photo of Phillips in the same thread, will convince you it's the same guy. It convinced me.There must be other photos from this Oswald press conference, but where? katisha, what do you mean by "in the Zapruder film a few seconds later"?katisha wrote: Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. Where and by whom?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:39 am
Hopefully this vid will answer a few questions...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xawnd59GBU
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:04 am
turtleman wrote:Resemblance yes but the problem I have with that being Phillips is why would he be anywhere near Dallas following the assassination? As much trouble as he went through to cover Maurice Bishop http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0019a.html I find no purpose for him being at a press conference he can watch on tape. How many Cubans could identify him from his work with Alpha 66 as well as all his Central and South American work. Look at the trouble George H.W. Bush went through to distance himself from Dallas. How deep could 41 have been in to spin the crazy and convoluted James Parrot web for his alibi? Were they comparative equals in the Agency? We will probably never know but their modus operandi always leads to a plausible deniability ending. Not to mention as desperate as Oswald was at that point he could have really blown the lid off the situation had he identified Phillips as his controller. If Oswald was part of the "abort" team ( which I think he was) some serious questions could have been raised with an economy of verbage. Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. And identified by witnesses during the HSCA. Phillips was a careful and meticulous man who left few loose ends if any. I am not buying the bold and brazen label for the top echelon involved in the conspiracy and I am not saying I am right, but again I ask what would his reason be for being in Dallas at the press conference? Things could go wrong in a multitude of ways with no apparent upside.Turtleman, I just think that guys like Phillips and Lansdale went to great lengths to plan this assassination. I just think the fact that the patsy (Oswald) was not killed before he was arrested and questioned scared the shit of folks like Phillips. That's why Ruby was used on Sunday morning to finish the job. In actuality, there were a lot of flaws in the planning of the assassination and like Mark said earlier, the rogue unit that planned this were willing to do whatever it took to get the job done, even if it meant more violence and death. Remember what Files said, Dealey Plaza was like a covention for the CIA on 11/22/1963. What's the difference if one is photographed in Dealey Plaza during the assassination or at the Oswald press conference? The conspirators tried to confiscate as much film as possible after the assassination so they couldn't get fingered for the murder. I also believe that Zapruder was there to film the assassination for the conspirators, as he was tied to a lot of them with his background. Some also think that Watergate happened for two reasons. One, for one team to steal documents and photos that could tie the conspirators to the events in Dallas (Files was in on that theft), and for Nixon to get framed by another team (Hunt, Sturgis and Liddy were in on that). I'm sure Phillips had a story to cover why he was at the press conference in case anyone questioned him. Something to cover his ass, just like Hoover and the FBI were doing, even though they were complicit as well.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:15 am
A good detective could probably still find out where these CIA handlers stayed overnight from 21st to 24th of Nov 1963.
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Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:20 am
Well, we know where Oswald and Files were then. We also know the hotel where Roselli and Nicoletti stayed at (Files picked up Roselli the day of the assassination to meet Ruby). Giancana probably stayed at the same place. I'm sure Jimmy knows where Phillips and Lansdale were staying. But for now, Jimmy is done talking. But maybe that will change. He finally admitted the Lansdale information in 2006, so there is hope.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:47 pm
ChristophMessner wrote:katisha wrote: There's a photo in "The Zapruder Film" (David Wrone) that must have been taken a few seconds after the one Christoph found, and from slightly to the right. You can still see the *maybe* David Atlee Phillips, looking very intently at Oswald, but he's almost out of shot, so you can't see the left eyebrow. "Microphone man" in front of him has crouched/knelt down and is directly in front of Mr maybe DAP.Pasquale, if you can find the thread where Christoph originally posted the photo, a couple of posts later he points out the very distinctive left eyebrow: I think a look at that, and a comparison to the *known* photo of Phillips in the same thread, will convince you it's the same guy. It convinced me.There must be other photos from this Oswald press conference, but where? katisha, what do you mean by "in the Zapruder film a few seconds later"?katisha wrote: Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. Where and by whom?Hi Cristoph The photo is in the book "The Zapruder Film" by David Wrone. It looks as though it was taken a few seconds after the one in the first post of this thread.'Twas Turtleman, not me, that said the bit about Oswald and Phillips being seen together.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:27 pm
Yes, Katisha did not say Oswald and Phillips were seen together. It was Turtleman. Check out the vid I recently posted above to find out about that. By the way, Katisha and Turtleman, plus so many others, have helped make the forum more interesting with their points of discussion. Welcome again to both of you! All I can say, is that the forum has a HELL of a rookie class in 2009!!!
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:44 am
katisha wrote:The photo is in the book "The Zapruder Film" by David Wrone. It looks as though it was taken a few seconds after the one in the first post of this thread.'Twas Turtleman, not me, that said the bit about Oswald and Phillips being seen together. Oh, please excuse, katisha, and thanks for giving me the source! Chris Thanks, Bob, too!
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by turtleman » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:27 am
I think it is clear that Veciano has identified LHO meeting with DAP in Dallas. I also believe I read somewhere in the HSCA report that a Dallas anti-Castro activist (Sylvia Odio maybe) reported the same thing and the WC wanted nothing to do with her. Surprise surprise! It may have been Odio's sister. I cannot remember but she was a bit of an emotional basket case. On a side note I knew Zapruder had some shady ties and while I never heard it mentioned outright that the film may have been a plant with all the versions and the discrepancies with Moorman's photo curbside regarding height etc. I think the film is very suspicious after everything is taken into account. Ironic it is the best film we have and taken from the perfect position.Bob, I am in lockstep with you on virtually everything you write on this forum but I still do not see any advantage for DAP to be at the press conference knowing that he had been previously seen in public with Oswald. And if this is all we ever debate I would have to say our differences are next to none. I did read that DAP had reached GS-18, among the highest of CIA levels and was almost charged with perjury after the HSCA testimony. The DOJ just wasn't interested I guess. Another surprise. Carter administration too I believe. ??? I wish there was more info available to us on Hunt, Harvey, DAP, and especially Poppy. Like Gaeton Fonzi said in one of his last interviews he felt we knew what happened in Dealy Plaza that day. We are just missing some details.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:26 am
Bob wrote:Yes, Katisha did not say Oswald and Phillips were seen together. It was Turtleman. Check out the vid I recently posted above to find out about that. By the way, Katisha and Turtleman, plus so many others, have helped make the forum more interesting with their points of discussion. Welcome again to both of you! All I can say, is that the forum has a HELL of a rookie class in 2009!!!i could not have said it better myself bob. the reason i have'nt been on so much is i've been very sick with a cold which has kept me down.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:02 am
Bob wrote:Yes, Katisha did not say Oswald and Phillips were seen together. It was Turtleman. Check out the vid I recently posted above to find out about that. By the way, Katisha and Turtleman, plus so many others, have helped make the forum more interesting with their points of discussion. Welcome again to both of you! All I can say, is that the forum has a HELL of a rookie class in 2009!!!Thanks Bob. It's a pleasure for me to read the board and the posts here in the forum of all you 'old' members who know so much more than I do about the assassination and related events. I'll certainly never catch up with the amount of knowledge you guys have, but I'll enjoy trying. After not thinking twice about who killed JFK and why for my whole life, I'm now utterly hooked.I think there's a fair amount of interest here in Australia (or at least in Melbourne), too. I say that because I've had the last week off work, and used some of it to hunt through second-hand bookshops for JFK books. At every shop where I said: "I'm looking for books about the Kennedy assassination", the response was along the lines of: "Well, we might have something if you're lucky, but it goes so quickly...".
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:24 am
it's truly one of the best sites on the internet in my opinion people are friendly and kind and respectful and the people here are always kind enough and good enough to give you stuff to read about JFK i totally agree with you katisha.it also makes me feel so proud that people from different countries have taken such an interest in the JFK assassination it just makes me love the usa that much more and makes me beam with pride. i've just been to sick to get on the forum and post. anybody watch ghost hunters on sci fi last night?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:36 am
Keep up the good work Katisha. Sara, I hope you are feeling better. I didn't watch ghost hunters last night, but I'm sure my wife did, that 's her favorite show. I had some other errands to do. Also, speaking of ghost hunting, I believe Pasquale and John Snow are really into that. John went to Gettysburg this weekend as a matter of fact to ghost hunt I believe. A friend of mine from work went to college at Gettysburg and he tells me of the hauntings that he has heard about there, like at the old hospital. I think he said there will be a special about Gettysburg later this month on the Travel channel. The time I went to Gettysburg, I didn't see any ghosts, but it was a surreal feeling knowing that you were standing on ground that so many thousands of men had died on.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:26 am
Bob wrote:Keep up the good work Katisha. Sara, I hope you are feeling better. I didn't watch ghost hunters last night, but I'm sure my wife did, that 's her favorite show. I had some other errands to do. Also, speaking of ghost hunting, I believe Pasquale and John Snow are really into that. John went to Gettysburg this weekend as a matter of fact to ghost hunt I believe. A friend of mine from work went to college at Gettysburg and he tells me of the hauntings that he has heard about there, like at the old hospital. I think he said there will be a special about Gettysburg later this month on the Travel channel. The time I went to Gettysburg, I didn't see any ghosts, but it was a surreal feeling knowing that you were standing on ground that so many thousands of men had died on.I've never been to Gettysburg, but I understand that it's haunted too. The best type of ghost investigations are where no information is given to the actual ghost investigators regarding who died or what kind of phenomenon has been observed at a location in the past. It might cloud the judgement and observation skills of the investigators. Also, NO drinking or anything like that while on a ghost hunt as THAT also impairs judgement.That being said, I had never actually SEEN a ghost in person until I worked with the Southwest Ghost Hunters Association. I believe my pictures are still up there on their website in the Garcia's Restaurant, Congress Hotel, and Old Tucson Studios investigations. I believe the investigations were in Tucson and New Mexico...I think.Anyway, yeah, on this one investigation, they didn't tell us anything about who died there or anything. Then I'm in a room, in an attic loft, and I'm placing some sound equipment up there. It was very dark with jut a little light coming from the floor below.There was movement next to me, and I thought it was my ex-fiancee who was blond-haired. I looked right in "her" face in the dim light and said "How's this set up? (Referring to the sound equipment.) I looked again, and the face was looking at me and kind of smiling. I looked away and said "Come on. I'm serious. How's this set up for the equipment?" I looked over my shoulder again, and there was no one there. I then HEARD people talking downstairs, and I descended from the loft and there was my fiancee. She had just come in from outside with some other investigators. I honestly didn't think anything of it. I thought that my mind was just playing tricks on me because of the dark room and such. At the end of the investigation, they showed the picture of the woman who died there, who lived right in the loft I was in. She had blond hair, and in the dim light, she looked just like my fiancee! Here's another ghost story from Sunnyvale, CA. I stayed in Sunnyvale, CA for work about a year ago. (Sunnyvale, CA is where that haunted Toys R Us is.) Out of the corner of my eye, I kept noticing movement, but I thought I was just tired. Later in the evening, the television in my room started changing channels every now and then on its own. I thought that it might just be someone else changing channels on their TV and the signal was probably affecting my TV too. Then my girlfriend called me on the phone, and she kind of started talking sexy to me. The television changed to an X-rated channel. I tried changing it to CNN or something, and it only changed to ANOTHER porn channel. I called the front desk and told them that my TV was showing x-rated movies on it and that I didn't want that especially because my boss was paying for the room. The front desk told me that their computers weren't showing that I was watching anything like that. Throughout the night I kept hearing things or seeing things out of the corner of my eye. When I checked out in the morning at about 4am, I asked the front desk clerk flat out if the place was haunted. I said something like "This is going to sound silly, but do you guys have a ghost in this place?" Then I told him why I asked. He looked around to see if anyone else was listening and told me something like "We're not supposed to tell guests, but a man checked into a first floor room (my room was on the second floor) and hung himself about 6 to 8 months before and strange things have been happening ever since. The kitchen staff won't even go into the kitchen area after 10pm or 11pm because they're too spooked."How's that for spooky! The only thing more spooky than that would be the Bush-Chaney foreign policy and disregard of basic pricipals like using warrants for searches and seizures and habeas corpus. Now THAT's spooky!!!! LOL
Post by Bob Fox » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:20 am
Well, we know where Oswald and Files were then. We also know the hotel where Roselli and Nicoletti stayed at (Files picked up Roselli the day of the assassination to meet Ruby). Giancana probably stayed at the same place. I'm sure Jimmy knows where Phillips and Lansdale were staying. But for now, Jimmy is done talking. But maybe that will change. He finally admitted the Lansdale information in 2006, so there is hope.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:47 pm
ChristophMessner wrote:katisha wrote: There's a photo in "The Zapruder Film" (David Wrone) that must have been taken a few seconds after the one Christoph found, and from slightly to the right. You can still see the *maybe* David Atlee Phillips, looking very intently at Oswald, but he's almost out of shot, so you can't see the left eyebrow. "Microphone man" in front of him has crouched/knelt down and is directly in front of Mr maybe DAP.Pasquale, if you can find the thread where Christoph originally posted the photo, a couple of posts later he points out the very distinctive left eyebrow: I think a look at that, and a comparison to the *known* photo of Phillips in the same thread, will convince you it's the same guy. It convinced me.There must be other photos from this Oswald press conference, but where? katisha, what do you mean by "in the Zapruder film a few seconds later"?katisha wrote: Remember Oswald and Phillips had been seen together in Dallas prior to the assassination. Where and by whom?Hi Cristoph The photo is in the book "The Zapruder Film" by David Wrone. It looks as though it was taken a few seconds after the one in the first post of this thread.'Twas Turtleman, not me, that said the bit about Oswald and Phillips being seen together.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:27 pm
Yes, Katisha did not say Oswald and Phillips were seen together. It was Turtleman. Check out the vid I recently posted above to find out about that. By the way, Katisha and Turtleman, plus so many others, have helped make the forum more interesting with their points of discussion. Welcome again to both of you! All I can say, is that the forum has a HELL of a rookie class in 2009!!!
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:44 am
katisha wrote:The photo is in the book "The Zapruder Film" by David Wrone. It looks as though it was taken a few seconds after the one in the first post of this thread.'Twas Turtleman, not me, that said the bit about Oswald and Phillips being seen together. Oh, please excuse, katisha, and thanks for giving me the source! Chris Thanks, Bob, too!
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by turtleman » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:27 am
I think it is clear that Veciano has identified LHO meeting with DAP in Dallas. I also believe I read somewhere in the HSCA report that a Dallas anti-Castro activist (Sylvia Odio maybe) reported the same thing and the WC wanted nothing to do with her. Surprise surprise! It may have been Odio's sister. I cannot remember but she was a bit of an emotional basket case. On a side note I knew Zapruder had some shady ties and while I never heard it mentioned outright that the film may have been a plant with all the versions and the discrepancies with Moorman's photo curbside regarding height etc. I think the film is very suspicious after everything is taken into account. Ironic it is the best film we have and taken from the perfect position.Bob, I am in lockstep with you on virtually everything you write on this forum but I still do not see any advantage for DAP to be at the press conference knowing that he had been previously seen in public with Oswald. And if this is all we ever debate I would have to say our differences are next to none. I did read that DAP had reached GS-18, among the highest of CIA levels and was almost charged with perjury after the HSCA testimony. The DOJ just wasn't interested I guess. Another surprise. Carter administration too I believe. ??? I wish there was more info available to us on Hunt, Harvey, DAP, and especially Poppy. Like Gaeton Fonzi said in one of his last interviews he felt we knew what happened in Dealy Plaza that day. We are just missing some details.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:26 am
Bob wrote:Yes, Katisha did not say Oswald and Phillips were seen together. It was Turtleman. Check out the vid I recently posted above to find out about that. By the way, Katisha and Turtleman, plus so many others, have helped make the forum more interesting with their points of discussion. Welcome again to both of you! All I can say, is that the forum has a HELL of a rookie class in 2009!!!i could not have said it better myself bob. the reason i have'nt been on so much is i've been very sick with a cold which has kept me down.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:02 am
Bob wrote:Yes, Katisha did not say Oswald and Phillips were seen together. It was Turtleman. Check out the vid I recently posted above to find out about that. By the way, Katisha and Turtleman, plus so many others, have helped make the forum more interesting with their points of discussion. Welcome again to both of you! All I can say, is that the forum has a HELL of a rookie class in 2009!!!Thanks Bob. It's a pleasure for me to read the board and the posts here in the forum of all you 'old' members who know so much more than I do about the assassination and related events. I'll certainly never catch up with the amount of knowledge you guys have, but I'll enjoy trying. After not thinking twice about who killed JFK and why for my whole life, I'm now utterly hooked.I think there's a fair amount of interest here in Australia (or at least in Melbourne), too. I say that because I've had the last week off work, and used some of it to hunt through second-hand bookshops for JFK books. At every shop where I said: "I'm looking for books about the Kennedy assassination", the response was along the lines of: "Well, we might have something if you're lucky, but it goes so quickly...".
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Post by saracarter766 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:24 am
it's truly one of the best sites on the internet in my opinion people are friendly and kind and respectful and the people here are always kind enough and good enough to give you stuff to read about JFK i totally agree with you katisha.it also makes me feel so proud that people from different countries have taken such an interest in the JFK assassination it just makes me love the usa that much more and makes me beam with pride. i've just been to sick to get on the forum and post. anybody watch ghost hunters on sci fi last night?
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:36 am
Keep up the good work Katisha. Sara, I hope you are feeling better. I didn't watch ghost hunters last night, but I'm sure my wife did, that 's her favorite show. I had some other errands to do. Also, speaking of ghost hunting, I believe Pasquale and John Snow are really into that. John went to Gettysburg this weekend as a matter of fact to ghost hunt I believe. A friend of mine from work went to college at Gettysburg and he tells me of the hauntings that he has heard about there, like at the old hospital. I think he said there will be a special about Gettysburg later this month on the Travel channel. The time I went to Gettysburg, I didn't see any ghosts, but it was a surreal feeling knowing that you were standing on ground that so many thousands of men had died on.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:26 am
Bob wrote:Keep up the good work Katisha. Sara, I hope you are feeling better. I didn't watch ghost hunters last night, but I'm sure my wife did, that 's her favorite show. I had some other errands to do. Also, speaking of ghost hunting, I believe Pasquale and John Snow are really into that. John went to Gettysburg this weekend as a matter of fact to ghost hunt I believe. A friend of mine from work went to college at Gettysburg and he tells me of the hauntings that he has heard about there, like at the old hospital. I think he said there will be a special about Gettysburg later this month on the Travel channel. The time I went to Gettysburg, I didn't see any ghosts, but it was a surreal feeling knowing that you were standing on ground that so many thousands of men had died on.I've never been to Gettysburg, but I understand that it's haunted too. The best type of ghost investigations are where no information is given to the actual ghost investigators regarding who died or what kind of phenomenon has been observed at a location in the past. It might cloud the judgement and observation skills of the investigators. Also, NO drinking or anything like that while on a ghost hunt as THAT also impairs judgement.That being said, I had never actually SEEN a ghost in person until I worked with the Southwest Ghost Hunters Association. I believe my pictures are still up there on their website in the Garcia's Restaurant, Congress Hotel, and Old Tucson Studios investigations. I believe the investigations were in Tucson and New Mexico...I think.Anyway, yeah, on this one investigation, they didn't tell us anything about who died there or anything. Then I'm in a room, in an attic loft, and I'm placing some sound equipment up there. It was very dark with jut a little light coming from the floor below.There was movement next to me, and I thought it was my ex-fiancee who was blond-haired. I looked right in "her" face in the dim light and said "How's this set up? (Referring to the sound equipment.) I looked again, and the face was looking at me and kind of smiling. I looked away and said "Come on. I'm serious. How's this set up for the equipment?" I looked over my shoulder again, and there was no one there. I then HEARD people talking downstairs, and I descended from the loft and there was my fiancee. She had just come in from outside with some other investigators. I honestly didn't think anything of it. I thought that my mind was just playing tricks on me because of the dark room and such. At the end of the investigation, they showed the picture of the woman who died there, who lived right in the loft I was in. She had blond hair, and in the dim light, she looked just like my fiancee! Here's another ghost story from Sunnyvale, CA. I stayed in Sunnyvale, CA for work about a year ago. (Sunnyvale, CA is where that haunted Toys R Us is.) Out of the corner of my eye, I kept noticing movement, but I thought I was just tired. Later in the evening, the television in my room started changing channels every now and then on its own. I thought that it might just be someone else changing channels on their TV and the signal was probably affecting my TV too. Then my girlfriend called me on the phone, and she kind of started talking sexy to me. The television changed to an X-rated channel. I tried changing it to CNN or something, and it only changed to ANOTHER porn channel. I called the front desk and told them that my TV was showing x-rated movies on it and that I didn't want that especially because my boss was paying for the room. The front desk told me that their computers weren't showing that I was watching anything like that. Throughout the night I kept hearing things or seeing things out of the corner of my eye. When I checked out in the morning at about 4am, I asked the front desk clerk flat out if the place was haunted. I said something like "This is going to sound silly, but do you guys have a ghost in this place?" Then I told him why I asked. He looked around to see if anyone else was listening and told me something like "We're not supposed to tell guests, but a man checked into a first floor room (my room was on the second floor) and hung himself about 6 to 8 months before and strange things have been happening ever since. The kitchen staff won't even go into the kitchen area after 10pm or 11pm because they're too spooked."How's that for spooky! The only thing more spooky than that would be the Bush-Chaney foreign policy and disregard of basic pricipals like using warrants for searches and seizures and habeas corpus. Now THAT's spooky!!!! LOL
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Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:36 am
Bob wrote:Keep up the good work Katisha. Sara, I hope you are feeling better. I didn't watch ghost hunters last night, but I'm sure my wife did, that 's her favorite show. I had some other errands to do. Also, speaking of ghost hunting, I believe Pasquale and John Snow are really into that. John went to Gettysburg this weekend as a matter of fact to ghost hunt I believe. A friend of mine from work went to college at Gettysburg and he tells me of the hauntings that he has heard about there, like at the old hospital. I think he said there will be a special about Gettysburg later this month on the Travel channel. The time I went to Gettysburg, I didn't see any ghosts, but it was a surreal feeling knowing that you were standing on ground that so many thousands of men had died on.The more scientific theory behind ghosts involves the same energy that is measured when, for example, someone has been in a car crash and the doctors are measuring their brain-wave activity to see if they're brain-dead or not. That engergy is electromagnetic. It's basically the same energy that our nerves use. Anyway, when someone dies, that energy doesn't just cease to exist. Basic physics laws say that energy is neither created nor destroyed. It's just always changed from one form to another. SO...that being said, where does that "brain-wave" activity go when someone dies? Does it dilute into the atmosphere? Does it stay intact? We ghost hunters suspect that that energy might stay intact and that it is the physical signature of a spirit. There's other evidence such as basically every culture since written history knows what a ghost is. Native Americans, Europeans...acient Greeks, Eqyptians, Romans..they ALL seem to know what a ghost is. How could all these cultures have that concept? It's something to consider. Okay, I'm done talking about ghosts! LOL
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:14 am
The real ghosts appear when you go to your limit in reality. Just walk through the woods in darkness and you will see. In Germany the word for ghost and spirit is the same: Geist. Nevertheless David Atlee Phillip was not a ghost, but really physically present at LHO's press conference. Maybe his spirit was not that good and he was LHO's bad ghost.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:48 am
Speaking of ghosts and Presidents, one of the most startling things I saw or read, was the dream Abraham Lincoln had shortly before he was assassinated. He dreamed he was wondering in the White House and he heard people weeping. He came upon the East Room where he saw soldiers guarding a casket in there and there were several mourners around the coffin as well. Lincoln asked who was in the casket and he was told it was the President who was killed by an assassin. Very eery.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:09 am
Bob wrote:Speaking of ghosts and Presidents, one of the most startling things I saw or read, was the dream Abraham Lincoln had shortly before he was assassinated. He dreamed he was wondering in the White House and he heard people weeping. He came upon the East Room where he saw soldiers guarding a casket in there and there were several mourners around the coffin as well. Lincoln asked who was in the casket and he was told it was the President who was killed by an assassin. Very eery. I heard that too! That certainly is eerie!!!!
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:21 pm
last night on ghost hunters they were at a titanic museum investigating and seeing that i am a huge titanic buff i was looking forward to that episode all week and i was to sick to watch it dammit.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:37 am
saracarter766 wrote:last night on ghost hunters they were at a titanic museum investigating and seeing that i am a huge titanic buff i was looking forward to that episode all week and i was to sick to watch it dammit. Sara...that had to be a sinking feeling. Seriously, I love to read books about that subject matter and watch ship wreck specials a lot. My family has a summer home right on Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes has had it's ample share of ship wrecks over the years. Speaking of that...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U219P_zs7w
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:55 am
Bob wrote:saracarter766 wrote:last night on ghost hunters they were at a titanic museum investigating and seeing that i am a huge titanic buff i was looking forward to that episode all week and i was to sick to watch it dammit. Sara...that had to be a sinking feeling. Seriously, I love to read books about that subject matter and watch ship wreck specials a lot. My family has a summer home right on Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes has had it's ample share of ship wrecks over the years. Speaking of that...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U219P_zs7wa sinking feeling bahahahahahahaha smartass roffl.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:58 pm
Chris im sorry I have been informed by Gary Mack, that the man you thought was Phillips is in fact, John Rutledge, a Dallas Morning News reporter who was well known in town for many years.So it is not Phillips.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:47 am
Hi Frenchy, if it is this John Rutledge: then it is definitely another disinfo by Gary Mack, cause the forehead of this John Rutledge is rectangular with round edges, whereas David Atlee Phillips forehead is more rhomb and fleeing. Let's try to find more photos of this John Ruthledge to be able to compare. Chris
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:50 am
Frenchy wrote:Chris im sorry I have been informed by Gary Mack, that the man you thought was Phillips is in fact, John Rutledge, a Dallas Morning News reporter who was well known in town for many years.So it is not Phillips.(my bolding) Oh right, that proves it then
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:36 am
Bob wrote:Keep up the good work Katisha. Sara, I hope you are feeling better. I didn't watch ghost hunters last night, but I'm sure my wife did, that 's her favorite show. I had some other errands to do. Also, speaking of ghost hunting, I believe Pasquale and John Snow are really into that. John went to Gettysburg this weekend as a matter of fact to ghost hunt I believe. A friend of mine from work went to college at Gettysburg and he tells me of the hauntings that he has heard about there, like at the old hospital. I think he said there will be a special about Gettysburg later this month on the Travel channel. The time I went to Gettysburg, I didn't see any ghosts, but it was a surreal feeling knowing that you were standing on ground that so many thousands of men had died on.The more scientific theory behind ghosts involves the same energy that is measured when, for example, someone has been in a car crash and the doctors are measuring their brain-wave activity to see if they're brain-dead or not. That engergy is electromagnetic. It's basically the same energy that our nerves use. Anyway, when someone dies, that energy doesn't just cease to exist. Basic physics laws say that energy is neither created nor destroyed. It's just always changed from one form to another. SO...that being said, where does that "brain-wave" activity go when someone dies? Does it dilute into the atmosphere? Does it stay intact? We ghost hunters suspect that that energy might stay intact and that it is the physical signature of a spirit. There's other evidence such as basically every culture since written history knows what a ghost is. Native Americans, Europeans...acient Greeks, Eqyptians, Romans..they ALL seem to know what a ghost is. How could all these cultures have that concept? It's something to consider. Okay, I'm done talking about ghosts! LOL
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:14 am
The real ghosts appear when you go to your limit in reality. Just walk through the woods in darkness and you will see. In Germany the word for ghost and spirit is the same: Geist. Nevertheless David Atlee Phillip was not a ghost, but really physically present at LHO's press conference. Maybe his spirit was not that good and he was LHO's bad ghost.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob Fox » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:48 am
Speaking of ghosts and Presidents, one of the most startling things I saw or read, was the dream Abraham Lincoln had shortly before he was assassinated. He dreamed he was wondering in the White House and he heard people weeping. He came upon the East Room where he saw soldiers guarding a casket in there and there were several mourners around the coffin as well. Lincoln asked who was in the casket and he was told it was the President who was killed by an assassin. Very eery.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Pasquale DiFabrizio » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:09 am
Bob wrote:Speaking of ghosts and Presidents, one of the most startling things I saw or read, was the dream Abraham Lincoln had shortly before he was assassinated. He dreamed he was wondering in the White House and he heard people weeping. He came upon the East Room where he saw soldiers guarding a casket in there and there were several mourners around the coffin as well. Lincoln asked who was in the casket and he was told it was the President who was killed by an assassin. Very eery. I heard that too! That certainly is eerie!!!!
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:21 pm
last night on ghost hunters they were at a titanic museum investigating and seeing that i am a huge titanic buff i was looking forward to that episode all week and i was to sick to watch it dammit.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Bob » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:37 am
saracarter766 wrote:last night on ghost hunters they were at a titanic museum investigating and seeing that i am a huge titanic buff i was looking forward to that episode all week and i was to sick to watch it dammit. Sara...that had to be a sinking feeling. Seriously, I love to read books about that subject matter and watch ship wreck specials a lot. My family has a summer home right on Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes has had it's ample share of ship wrecks over the years. Speaking of that...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U219P_zs7w
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by saracarter766 » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:55 am
Bob wrote:saracarter766 wrote:last night on ghost hunters they were at a titanic museum investigating and seeing that i am a huge titanic buff i was looking forward to that episode all week and i was to sick to watch it dammit. Sara...that had to be a sinking feeling. Seriously, I love to read books about that subject matter and watch ship wreck specials a lot. My family has a summer home right on Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes has had it's ample share of ship wrecks over the years. Speaking of that...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U219P_zs7wa sinking feeling bahahahahahahaha smartass roffl.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by Frenchy » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:58 pm
Chris im sorry I have been informed by Gary Mack, that the man you thought was Phillips is in fact, John Rutledge, a Dallas Morning News reporter who was well known in town for many years.So it is not Phillips.
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by ChristophMessner » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:47 am
Hi Frenchy, if it is this John Rutledge: then it is definitely another disinfo by Gary Mack, cause the forehead of this John Rutledge is rectangular with round edges, whereas David Atlee Phillips forehead is more rhomb and fleeing. Let's try to find more photos of this John Ruthledge to be able to compare. Chris
Re: David Atlee Phillips at LHO's press conference?
Post by katisha » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:50 am
Frenchy wrote:Chris im sorry I have been informed by Gary Mack, that the man you thought was Phillips is in fact, John Rutledge, a Dallas Morning News reporter who was well known in town for many years.So it is not Phillips.(my bolding) Oh right, that proves it then