How to convince a non-believer

[katisha]

Agreed, the wondrous bullet is very compelling evidence indeed.

[ChristophMessner]

Yes, Sara, Pasquale, Frenchy, Thom, Katisha, you are all good with your judgement. Let's not forget, that Oswald was not out of breath at the second floor and that the way officer Baker detected him, proves that Oswald came from the south entrance. Also think about the sudden cleaning of the limo at Parkland and the removal of evidence by repairing the limo soon afterwards. Radio man and umbrella man ... I hope you post something kind of proof-list to David von Pein on jfkassassinationforum and other websites like I do, where this lone-nutter-propagandist promotes Vincent Bugliosi's elaboration.

[katisha]

Thanks Pasquale; you've reminded me of another one I forgot: I'd definitely show the photo of the bloke cleaning out the back of the car outside Parkland hospital.

[Bob]

To me there are many reasons that show why indeed the JFK assassination was a conspiracy, but the one that proves it more than others is the "magic bullet" theory. Without it, Lee Harvey Oswald could not have been the only shooter (I don't believe LHO was a shooter at all). To me there was a definite conspiracy reaching to the highest realms of the U.S. Government which led to the Warren Commission. There were two very interesting members of the Warren Commission...former CIA director Allan Dulles...a man JFK had fired for his role in the Bay of Pigs debacle, and Gerald Ford...a man who got his start in politics as a mentor of Prescott Bu$h, just like Richard Nixon...and Ford was ironically Nixon's campaign manager in the 1960 Presidential election. Ford also was the eyes and ears for J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI as the Warren Commission had it's "investigation". Anyway, the WC knew that Arlen Specter's "magic bullet" theory had to happen to help pin the blame on Oswald. Ford decided to get "creative"...http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/sibert.htmFord moved JFK's back wound up several inches to make the Specter theory even plausible. If people knew this, then all of Dale Myers 3D computer graphic bullshit would never be relevant. Ford was just as much as a conspirator as LBJ, Poppy Bu$h and the others. Maybe Ford didn't help plan the assassination, but he certainly helped to cover up the REAL truth.

[ThomZajac]

Good morning! No worries, Katisha, I'm part Italian and sometimes my mellow California side doesn't quite balance it out. Good discussion.I'm obviously with all you guys on the SBT, and I very much realize that it is the linchpin for the lone nut scenario, and that the whole thing falls apart when the SBT is disproved, which it should easily be for any reasonably intelligent open minded person. Heck, there was more bullet fragment mass removed from Connally's wrist than was missing from the bullet the WC said caused the damage! And on top of that, there are the bullet fragments that were left in Connally's thigh wound. And the list of impossibilities for the SBT goes on, I realize that.BUT, in my opinion, non-believers will always find a way to make the existing conclusions of the SBT irrelevant. For example, I've heard some say that the James Teague bullet was the shot the exited from JFK's throat, and that all of Connally's wounds were caused by another shot (still adds up to three!). And I believe Posner or some lone nut concluded one of the shots hit a tree branch and fragmented into two pieces,and that one of those pieces went Tague's way. Another has said he believes Oswald fired four shots and that the first one missed ('hitting' Tague) and that Oswald simply had picked up one (or two) of the spent cartridges. The nearly pristine nature of the magic bullet is explained away too by various means, such as "if it's a ridiculous as you say, the WC would never have relied on it." Disproving the SBT means there were more than three shots (it doesn't prove a shot came from anywhere but the rear), and lone nutters will simply find other ways to explain how three shots could have done it, or how four shots would have been possible. In short, I think the best way to prove a conspiracy is by utilizing the best evidence, JFK's body, not by attempting to disprove the lone nut fairly tale put forth by the government. Happy Independence Day!

[Bob]

Happy independence day to you as well Thom! You also make some excellent points.Good morning! No worries, Katisha, I'm part Italian and sometimes my mellow California side doesn't quite balance it out. Good discussion. - ThomAll that fine wine in your part of the country can really make things balance out!

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

katisha wrote:Thanks for the pic, Pasquale. It does look nice and clean and tidy, doesn't it? Interestingly, the Warren Report doesn't actually say that all the wounds were caused by the one bullet, although it comes bloody close to saying so: "Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds" (Chapter 1, Summary and Conclusions, p19)I don't mean to split hairs about this, Katisha, but it's important. The Warren Commission, or the official version of events, HAS TO maintain that ONE bullet went through JFK's body and caused all the wounds to Conally. So, they DID say that, or they at least hold that as their version. If they admitted that it was possible that more than one bullet did all that damage, they would HAVE TO admit to a conspiracy because that Oswald rifle could not have fired more than three shots in the alotted time frame.The magic bullet theory IS the key to the lone-assassin theory. To even consider that more than one bullet caused all those wounds (besides the head wound, of course) is to say that there was possibly more than one shooter.

[kenmurray]

Katisha, lest not us forget too, that THREE of the Warren Omission's members Russell, Cooper and Boggs did NOT believe in the magic bullet theory! As a matter of fact Russell callled for an emergency session on SEP 18th, 1964 to argue this magic bullet conclusion!

[bob franklin]

The best way? Show them this:[img]jfkshirt.jpg

[bob franklin]

"Back & to the left."