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thanks for that link on oswald killing aftermat ken(i think that was previously broadcast on the men who killed kennedy) i have so many thoughts and questions on the jfk assassination(i have seen many documentaries/dvds and read books and articales)and end up with even more questions(but thats why we find it fascinating)i was looking around the web and looking through abook and came across an interview with roger craig(talking about seeing oswald come down the grassy knoll and get into the green rambler,i think this was a lookalike,most likely one of the two guys who killed tippit)the conspiritors finishing their plan that they hoped would end in oswald being shot and killed by the police.but oswald was seen by atleast 3 people in the building after the shooting and again a bit later by a taxi driver in whos car he was a passanger(so was he in the rambler or in the taxi?)also billy lovelady bothers me(another oswald lookalike)here is a link to look at concerning lovelady http://www.the7thfire.com/jfk/man_in_the_doorway.htm he is said to be the man in the picture)but he said he was sitting down never seeing the shooting ,and was it would seem never questioned by the warren commission about the shooting only where he was at the time.in the book jfk the second plot by matthew smith(which by the way is excellent)there is a photo of lovelady wearing the striped shirt he said he had on in the doorway of tsbd(dont foget he said he was sitting,the figure is standing )now take a look at this link which brings me back to roger craig,look at 2 minutes 32 seconds of the video,you will see oswald being brought in past lovelady who was being questioned by the police(look at his shirt,not striped but check) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myi5aifmfzs i believe craig to be telling the truth but mistaken oswald with a double(they tried to say craig was never present at oswalds interrogation but photos prove other wise,they could not have craig say i saw oswald get in to a car with others as this would mean consiracy,so they tried to discredit him and kill him and when he would not change his story after that he was killed)why did lovelady lie if he was standing there and not sitting(because oswald reportedly stated i was standing in the doorway,so the warren commision chose to say instead that he was standing not sitting)as i said in an earlier post oswald could have gone back in to tsbd and gone to the 1st floor canteen just in time for officer baker to walk in on him(now very worried having realised he is a patsy,makes his way to a bus then a cab and back to his rooming house not in to a rambler)does anyone have or know of any footage of this rambler on elm street,there has to be some,it could answer a few questions.im sure ill be back soon even more perplexed with even more questions,take care guys talk soon i hope.

lovelady has also bothered me. it must just be one of those unusual coincidences because he had been employed at the depository for over a year before the shooting so i do not believe he was a plant by the cia.

piopat wrote:thanks for that link on oswald killing aftermat ken(i think that was previously broadcast on the men who killed kennedy) i have so many thoughts and questions on the jfk assassination(i have seen many documentaries/dvds and read books and articales)and end up with even more questions(but thats why we find it fascinating)i was looking around the web and looking through abook and came across an interview with roger craig(talking about seeing oswald come down the grassy knoll and get into the green rambler,i think this was a lookalike,most likely one of the two guys who killed tippit)the conspiritors finishing their plan that they hoped would end in oswald being shot and killed by the police.but oswald was seen by atleast 3 people in the building after the shooting and again a bit later by a taxi driver in whos car he was a passanger(so was he in the rambler or in the taxi?)also billy lovelady bothers me(another oswald lookalike)here is a link to look at concerning lovelady http://www.the7thfire.com/jfk/man_in_the_doorway.htm he is said to be the man in the picture)but he said he was sitting down never seeing the shooting ,and was it would seem never questioned by the warren commission about the shooting only where he was at the time.in the book jfk the second plot by matthew smith(which by the way is excellent)there is a photo of lovelady wearing the striped shirt he said he had on in the doorway of tsbd(dont foget he said he was sitting,the figure is standing )now take a look at this link which brings me back to roger craig,look at 2 minutes 32 seconds of the video,you will see oswald being brought in past lovelady who was being questioned by the police(look at his shirt,not striped but check) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myi5aifmfzs i believe craig to be telling the truth but mistaken oswald with a double(they tried to say craig was never present at oswalds interrogation but photos prove other wise,they could not have craig say i saw oswald get in to a car with others as this would mean consiracy,so they tried to discredit him and kill him and when he would not change his story after that he was killed)why did lovelady lie if he was standing there and not sitting(because oswald reportedly stated i was standing in the doorway,so the warren commision chose to say instead that he was standing not sitting)as i said in an earlier post oswald could have gone back in to tsbd and gone to the 1st floor canteen just in time for officer baker to walk in on him(now very worried having realised he is a patsy,makes his way to a bus then a cab and back to his rooming house not in to a rambler)does anyone have or know of any footage of this rambler on elm street,there has to be some,it could answer a few questions.im sure ill be back soon even more perplexed with even more questions,take care guys talk soon i hope.Piopat, it appears that those 2 links you provided appear to be broken. I had no luck.

sorry guys type those links in to google as they dont seem to want to work the easy way.

piopat wrote:sorry guys type those links in to google as they dont seem to want to work the easy way.No problem I've had that problem before as well.

hi guys before i go further i have a link to a site that has a camera set up in the so called snipers nest window running 24 hours a day live,so you can see dealy plaza live,and see what a sniper may have been able to see. http://www.earthcam.com/jfk/ . i was reading about marilyn sitzmen and her account that she heard no shots come from behind her,and that she never seen gordon arnold only a young black couple,what struck me is she was never called to the warren commision,her being so close to the knoll and saying she heard no shots you would think would make her ideal for the commissions lone killer theory,but she was never called why?(we know the commission was selective in who they called,only those whos evidence supported the lone killer theory,as her evidence it would seem would have,but she would have mentioned 2 other people on the knoll ,the young black couple as she called them,who were never seen or heard of again?)if this young black couple as she called them(they may just have been dark complected)came forward they may have said they seen gordon arnold,badgeman etc on the knoll,which could have proven conspiracy(why else would they not have called her to the warren commission?)this is just my thinking,there may be a good reason for her not being called.on the knoll area subject i came across this( badgeman revealed) its well worth the look here is the link http://www.jfkresearch.com/morningstar/morningstar5.htm i was surprised by it and i feel a lot of people will to,its about the badgeman,the three tramps and the arresting officer(for the record i also think jim brading looks like badgeman)let me know what you think.just to mention beverly oliver here who stated also seeing one roscoe white near the knoll area(while checking around for the names of the 2 cops on the bridge i came across these j w foster and one j c white)any relation i wonder,one and the same or pure coincidednce,again i dont know this just me thinking outloud.here is a link to ed hoffman a deaf mute and what he said he saw http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/jfkhoffman.htm . and here is an interesting link regarding the paines and their green rambler http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.ba ... 96.fp.html (as you will recall roger craig spotted one on elm street shortly after the shooting) my final link on this post is this one regarding sturgis and hunt and their uncanny resemblence to 2 of the three tramps, here you will see the tramps and hunt and sturgis in side by side photographs(for the record i have seen three pictures of the man they call saul pictured outside the embassy,and i thought he looked a bit like the tall tramp,might be my eyes playing tricks let me know what you think anyway) here is the link http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/watergate.htm i look forward to your thoughts on these links and my thoughts on the subjects.

here is a link to a site with first hand witness statements(taken minutes after the shooting)many said jfk was standing we dont see that in zapruder could they be right(a forum i visited recently had a post that said jfk could not have been standing as he was incapable due to his back trouble)read all the statements on the link and view any photographs in the external links and you will see jfk visiting an other state(i forget where )and standing up in the moving car.this link also contains faked photos and zapruder film. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread191783/pg1 also look here at tippits head wound and compare them to jfks xrays http://www.jfkresearch.com/morningstar/morningstar6.htm ill be back in an other post with something i observed in the zapruder film as it is a bit long.if any of the links in my posts should not work please type them in by hand, i hope you find them of interest and i look forward to thoughts on them.talk to you soon.

going back to my last post and the link that contains first hand witness statements taken minutes after the shooting,i read quite a few of these statements and agood few mentioned jfk standing in the car and also jackie (this cant be seen in zapruder)but as we know zapruder has been altered.so i went back and had a look at zapruder in slow motion to see what was there if anything(this is what i think i cant say,wether im right or wrong ill let you guys decide,and will be greatfull for your input)as the motorcade is going along houston towards elm and the motorcycle cop turns on to elm(view this in slow motion,moving a fraction at atime)so in slow motion you see the motorcycle cop appear on elm,he is just about at tsbd door(and their is no jfk car behind)now move the film on a fraction at a time,in an instant you will see a faint jfk car appear(allready on elm not having turned the corner)to quote zapruder i only started filming on elm street.also now note that the motorcycle cop is now gone faint also the people on both sides of the street,move the film on a fraction and now jfks car becomes clear,but the motorcycle officer dissapears in front of your eyes(and he does this well before the stemmons sign)it seems to me that they superimposed the jfk car on to the film where it fist appears for the purpose of obstructing a view of cars parked up along by the dal tex buiding and maybe even a view of a sniper and also where jfk stood up in the car and got hit in the throath(a shot i feel could not be made from the knoll,strange that he is fine the motorcycle cop dissapears in to thin air and then jfk emerges from the sign holding his throath)where the cop dissappears is most likely where jfk was standing and got got shot in the throath which probably showed 2 things a shot hitting jfk at a time that would not fit the warren report findings of a lone gun man,and a view of a few interesting people on either side of the street,including umbrella man,green man,dark complected man.now go back to the start play the film again in slow motion a fraction at atime and this time look at the woman standing by the stemmons sign the sign is to her right(she is nearest to it)wearing a blue or green head scarf,there are also 2 people to her right that appear to be seen through the left hand corner of the stemmons sign,now go forward a fraction look again and they are gone leaving only blue scarf lady(also the people on her left never move?)now go back one more time and again watch the film in slow motion a fraction at a time,look to the left of jfks car on jackies side there is what seems to be a young girl wearing a white top and red bottom(she is running along following the car)its harder to fake a moving person than one who is standing still,now slowly follow her movement up to the point that jfks car is passing the stemmons sign,see her in slowmotion a fraction at a time along the pavement behind various people as the car nears the stemmons sign she seems to freeze and as jfk is passing behind the sign she is visible at the top of the picture over the sign still frozen then she is seen standing behind shrubbery and then she dissappears in to thin air just as the car emerges from the sign(note the shrubbery is not near the pavement it is well back behind and to her left)this shows that the stemmons sign image is altered also from an other angle across the street the sign looks bent and stemmons is spelled wrong(stemmens)this can only be to hide what umbrella man or dark complected man did or were doing at the time also you can see the front of the car through the sign before the car emerges from behind it.there are a few more things but i will leave it here for the moment,i hope people will view the film in slow motion and tell me if i am losing it or really seeing these things ,i would value your input and any thoughts you have.talk to you soon.

i totally see and agree.

Excellent input and analysis Piopat!