People on south side of Elm street

[Bob]

Mike...I'm starting to smell some disinformation here. Those are my thoughts.Have you heard this by chance...http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2009.htmlShow #452Original airdate: Dec 10th, 2009Guests: Douglas Horne Topic: Inside The ARRB Play Part One Interview - Doug Horne Doug's book Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government's... ...Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK His blog site is Inside The ARRB Doug was a member of the ARRB for it's last 3 of 4 years How he came to work for the ARRB Doug's military background helped to get him the position From the age of 14 he followed the critic's view of the Warren Commission Doug opposed the ARRB's view that the Warren Commission got it right The actual agenda of the ARRB...It was not to re-investigate the JFK assassination The HSCA left many unsatisfactory conclusions. The ARRB tried to clear many up There is undeniable evidence of a medical cover-up in the JFK assassination Many autopsy photos and x-rays have been destroyed As many as 18 different views no longer exist in the evidence collection Doug lists off many photos proven to have been taken but no longer exist The Optical Densitometry work done by Dr Mantic on the head x-rays Mantic is a radio oncologist and has a PhD in Physics... A very credible researcher Horne's view on what G Robert Blakey's agenda was The primary difference between David Lifton's opinion and Doug's A similar description of the head wounds as related by three witness physicians Mortician, Tom Robinson saw the autopsy including the post-mortem surgery before the autopsy Witnesses prove the cranium was sawn open and not blown open like the official story states The scalp is held in place by many hands to obscure the hole in the back of the head Two former FBI agent witnesses gave evidence the head was altered for the pictures The alteration pictures still exist and the traditional autopsy photos have been removed The autopsy report on record now is the third draft of that document Humes burned one copy and another copy went missing during a transfer of materials from RFK A third draft cannot be relied upon as evidence especially given the history surrounding it JFK's brain and it's preservation treatment called "profusion" Play Part Two Interview - Doug Horne There were two brain examinations a week apart The images of Kennedy's sectioned brain do not exist in the archives The images that do exist are not the images taken by John Stringer The archived images show a primarily intact brain. The witnesses stated otherwise Boswell stated that the top and right side and right rear of the skull were missing Doug calls the Boswell diagram a "con job" 3 pieces of skull found after the assassination and all are now missing The Harper Fragment... Evidence of a rear exit wound...And a shot from the front Questioning the authenticity of the Zapruder Film and a bit of it's history Why Doug now believes the Z film is not authentic Analyzing the film for authenticity A few points attest to an authentic film but there are problems The intrasprocket images extend too far on the archived film The test shots do not show the penetration of intra-sprocket images the Z film does The inference is that the original was reprinted on the archive film and was not original Proof is provided by the contact copies not showing the intra-sprocket images Doug could not get a test film made using the Z camera to prove or disprove penetration He recently found out that this test is the very first thing that should have been done Chain of custody questions... Strange negotiations by Life Magazine The CIA's NPIC photo center created two briefing boards by two separate crews The second film was a 16mm film, not the 8mm slit film The 16mm film was a sanitized copy of the Zapruder film The study of the Z film by the Hollywood team shows alteration of JFK's head The fakery was terrible and very easy to spot and seven experts attest to the alteration Conclusion: The Z Film constitutes irrefutable evidence of a US government cover-up Just one more fraud in the JFK assassination saga... virtually every piece of evidence shows fraud Doug thanks Rex Bradford for all of his help in helping create the book Note the part about the Zapruder film.

[mike martinez]

Bob wrote:Mike...I'm starting to smell some disinformation here. Those are my thoughts.Have you heard this by chance...http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2009.htmlShow #452Original airdate: Dec 10th, 2009Guests: Douglas Horne Topic: Inside The ARRB Play Part One Interview - Doug Horne Doug's book Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government's... ...Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK His blog site is Inside The ARRB Doug was a member of the ARRB for it's last 3 of 4 years How he came to work for the ARRB Doug's military background helped to get him the position From the age of 14 he followed the critic's view of the Warren Commission Doug opposed the ARRB's view that the Warren Commission got it right The actual agenda of the ARRB...It was not to re-investigate the JFK assassination The HSCA left many unsatisfactory conclusions. The ARRB tried to clear many up There is undeniable evidence of a medical cover-up in the JFK assassination Many autopsy photos and x-rays have been destroyed As many as 18 different views no longer exist in the evidence collection Doug lists off many photos proven to have been taken but no longer exist The Optical Densitometry work done by Dr Mantic on the head x-rays Mantic is a radio oncologist and has a PhD in Physics... A very credible researcher Horne's view on what G Robert Blakey's agenda was The primary difference between David Lifton's opinion and Doug's A similar description of the head wounds as related by three witness physicians Mortician, Tom Robinson saw the autopsy including the post-mortem surgery before the autopsy Witnesses prove the cranium was sawn open and not blown open like the official story states The scalp is held in place by many hands to obscure the hole in the back of the head Two former FBI agent witnesses gave evidence the head was altered for the pictures The alteration pictures still exist and the traditional autopsy photos have been removed The autopsy report on record now is the third draft of that document Humes burned one copy and another copy went missing during a transfer of materials from RFK A third draft cannot be relied upon as evidence especially given the history surrounding it JFK's brain and it's preservation treatment called "profusion" Play Part Two Interview - Doug Horne There were two brain examinations a week apart The images of Kennedy's sectioned brain do not exist in the archives The images that do exist are not the images taken by John Stringer The archived images show a primarily intact brain. The witnesses stated otherwise Boswell stated that the top and right side and right rear of the skull were missing Doug calls the Boswell diagram a "con job" 3 pieces of skull found after the assassination and all are now missing The Harper Fragment... Evidence of a rear exit wound...And a shot from the front Questioning the authenticity of the Zapruder Film and a bit of it's history Why Doug now believes the Z film is not authentic Analyzing the film for authenticity A few points attest to an authentic film but there are problems The intrasprocket images extend too far on the archived film The test shots do not show the penetration of intra-sprocket images the Z film does The inference is that the original was reprinted on the archive film and was not original Proof is provided by the contact copies not showing the intra-sprocket images Doug could not get a test film made using the Z camera to prove or disprove penetration He recently found out that this test is the very first thing that should have been done Chain of custody questions... Strange negotiations by Life Magazine The CIA's NPIC photo center created two briefing boards by two separate crews The second film was a 16mm film, not the 8mm slit film The 16mm film was a sanitized copy of the Zapruder film The study of the Z film by the Hollywood team shows alteration of JFK's head The fakery was terrible and very easy to spot and seven experts attest to the alteration Conclusion: The Z Film constitutes irrefutable evidence of a US government cover-up Just one more fraud in the JFK assassination saga... virtually every piece of evidence shows fraud Doug thanks Rex Bradford for all of his help in helping create the book Note the part about the Zapruder film.Bob,I've been reading your posts here for a couple years and I really do admire your passion and zeal. I am quite sure we come from totally opposite sides of the aisle as far as politics is concerned.Was your comment about disinformation directed at me? If they were it is not my intention. I have always just wondered after all the eyewitness accounts of the back of Kennedy's head being blown out (which I have no reason to doubt) why the Z film looks the way it does on frame 313. Just another of those unanswered questions in the most intriguing murder in American history.I will listen to the black op link sometime later this week.

[Phil Dragoo]

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009 ... mlZapruder film altered at Hawkeye. Seven Hollywood film experts say effort is amateurish and obvious.And the magic bullet, the very heart of the single-bullet-theory of Arlen Specter, the sine qua non of Oswald the lone nut:It did not transit from the back wound--which was five and three-eighths down from the jacket collar--to the throat--which was a wound of entry--then on to the rest of the seven alleged wounds, two through bone--It fell out during cardiac massage--this from the agents recording the comments of the doctors.CE 399, whose chain of custody is irrevocably broken, which does not bear the initials it ought, which could not be identified by those alleged to have held it, which may not have even been on the governor's gurney--never took its magic flight.Many have died to keep the truth hidden. Pitzer's story in JFK and the Unspeakable is a nice example.A child will keep asking why.

[Bob]

Mike, in terms of political allegiance, I do lean left, but I'm fed up with the entire system. Both political parties are bought and paid for. In terms of the JFK assassination, you yourself said it wasn't Oswald. Also, clearly the magic bullet theory is utter bullshit, contrived by Gerald Ford and Arlen Specter. The shot from the knoll is pretty obvious in my mind, even with the Zapruder film being doctored. Again, just listen to the people (the medical folks at Parkland) that FIRST saw JFK after the shooting. It's good to debate and have questions about what REALLY happened. I have changed my opinion on a few things recently in fact, including the fact that the Zapruder film was definitely doctored.

[kenmurray]

Doug Horne's work was the clincher for me that the Z-film was tampered with.