If the CIA had called off the "hit"...??

[Kirk]

Mr. Brychek,Actually I agree with you on almost everything. I defer to you and others for the details because of the expertise. So, why can't we say that this is one of the most critical questions, and if answered in total would be the rosetta stone for the enigma. Has it been answered in total? Can we say now and finally that this is the truth of the matter the CIA, Mafia, Big Oil etc. called the shots literally and figuratively. Can that be the complete narrative to stand behind now. One reason for the apathy by so many now is the confusion of so many different plots and possibilities. I am looking for one to stand behind and push forward myself. This might be the one, but as you know more then most not all of the information on this has seen the light of day yet.So my question for you is : In your opinion, and with your experience was there an actual abort of the mission or not? You may have answered this before, and I am to slow on the uptake, but if history is always repeating, then repeating the questions seems like a good idea and comes with the territory.Kirk

[Dealey Joe]

I base my Theory of the happenings on 11/22/1963 on a few things the James Files said.Unless I miss understood him he said " the CIA had ordered a stand down" he also said Roselli did not want to piss off the CIA so he was not going to be a shooter? Did he not say this???Could the Stand Down have been just for Dealey Plaza?How many shooters do you think they would deploy in Dealey? 1 team? 2 teams, 3 teams?Get real here. one crossfire team would be more than enough. No need or place for more.With more that 3 shooters that limo would have looked like Bonnie and Clyde.Nicoletti ask JF if he would be the backup shooter?Who picked the shooting spots are a little unclear.Files was there for a few days checking it out?21 year old Jimmy Files would have jumped off the underpass with a knife in his teeth into the limo if Nicoletti had order it.Tosh Plumlees story might be a little short on details but it seems to generally back up what Files said.A BIG problem I have is reading all these books where writers use there own educated guessesas to what or who and after it is repeated in the next book or two it suddenly becomes fact?personally I prefer looking someone in the eye and listening to their story. If you listen itis not difficult to tell if they are basically truthful or bullshitting you.I am not clear yet on just where Chauncy and crew actually were?wandering around the plaza, or staking around the trainyard.Did Ed really see two guys with a gunOf course maybe James Files is lying?Maybe there were shooters lined up and down the fence, or maybe the deep dark shadowy Badge manthat Gary Mack found when he was a good guy?maybe the umbrella was loaded?Maybe the Zapruder is real and there was no shot from the front?Maybe Oswald really done it with the Carcano?

[Kirk]

Joe,How many teams? Not sure, but you have to have 3 sites, so probably 3 teams. Is Mr. Files lying? No, but in my opinion not telling the whole story, or maybe you doesn't know the whole story.One of my lines is that I never lie, but I rarely tell the truth. If it was an abort why would Tosh and others park where they did? Why wouldn't they know where people would be? Maybe Mr. Files would do whatever his mentor asked, but would his Mentor ask that. In the interviews with Mr. Files, Nicoletti comes across as being pretty controlled, conservative and matter of fact, or all business. It is hard for me see him jumping the gun on this. In my opinion of course. Just a few might have been told that it was Aborted to throw them off, or ease their minds, or relax.KirkDealey Joe wrote:I base my Theory of the happenings on 11/22/1963 on a few things the James Files said.Unless I miss understood him he said " the CIA had ordered a stand down" he also said Roselli did not want to piss off the CIA so he was not going to be a shooter? Did he not say this???Could the Stand Down have been just for Dealey Plaza?How many shooters do you think they would deploy in Dealey? 1 team? 2 teams, 3 teams?Get real here. one crossfire team would be more than enough. No need or place for more.With more that 3 shooters that limo would have looked like Bonnie and Clyde.Nicoletti ask JF if he would be the backup shooter?Who picked the shooting spots are a little unclear.Files was there for a few days checking it out?21 year old Jimmy Files would have jumped off the underpass with a knife in his teeth into the limo if Nicoletti had order it.Tosh Plumlees story might be a little short on details but it seems to generally back up what Files said.A BIG problem I have is reading all these books where writers use there own educated guessesas to what or who and after it is repeated in the next book or two it suddenly becomes fact?personally I prefer looking someone in the eye and listening to their story. If you listen itis not difficult to tell if they are basically truthful or bullshitting you.I am not clear yet on just where Chauncy and crew actually were?wandering around the plaza, or staking around the trainyard.Did Ed really see two guys with a gunOf course maybe James Files is lying?Maybe there were shooters lined up and down the fence, or maybe the deep dark shadowy Badge manthat Gary Mack found when he was a good guy?maybe the umbrella was loaded?Maybe the Zapruder is real and there was no shot from the front?Maybe Oswald really done it with the Carcano?

[Dealey Joe]

listening to what Tosh says he actually was there to watch the South knoll.Hopefully we someday will know the rest of the story, for nowwe are stuck with ededucated quesses.What are you calling a team? one person? two or three?

[Kirk]

Joe, Team like conspiracy needs at least 2. That is one my probems about the picket fence, and Mr. Files. I can't see him being there alone without a spotter or cover person. Now, supposedly someone did cover as he was leaving but I can't believe that Mr. Files would not know who he was and what he was there fore.KirkDealey Joe wrote:listening to what Tosh says he actually was there to watch the South knoll.Hopefully we someday will know the rest of the story, for nowwe are stuck with ededucated quesses.What are you calling a team? one person? two or three?

[Bruce Patrick Brychek]

Gentlemen:Military Snipers in the field use spotters for longer range shots.CIA Assassin Snipers in urban environments never, ever use spotters.Jimmy was 80 - 100 feet from JFK with a 3 Power Scope. JFK looked like he was 6 feet away.JFK was so close that he could have been shot with Fixed Sites, without a scope.Spotter for what ? To double the chance of being seen ? To double the risk of getting away ?Show me one authoritative source for your statements, please ?You can't see him being there without a spotter based upon what authority, other than a guess, or to re-repeat some other inexperienced comment.A spotter in a crowded area, to draw double attention makes zero sense.This also doubles the chance of one of them being caught, for what purpose ?Do you even think through what you are writing ?Comments ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

[JDB4JFK]

Bruce best forum email you've wrote that I've seen. I agree with you 100 percent on this one. There was just talk of an abort team just in case something went wrong with Oswald being the original patsy! These people who plan this type of thing don't go it to it with just one scape goat, I'm sure they had plans A,B,C, and D in case they couldn't get the Oswald lone assassin thing to work. Maybe at the last minute Accardo, and Giancana thought that the CIA was setting up the Mob to take the fall and they tried to call off there shooters Roselli and Nicoletti. Even though these guys had business deals together doesn't mean they trusted each other. All I know from all the research I've done in twenty plus years is that this was full speed ahead from June of 63 to November of 63! From the meeting the night before at Murchinsons house to the actual cover up it was full speed ahead. As far as Files goes I don't beleive he has told us all he knows just bits and pieces, probably why he is still alive? If you guys think that at the last minute on a "WIM" NO PUN INTENDED, that Files decided to be one of the hitmen, with no details, no cover, no plan of escape, or where do I go after i shoot and so on, then you're sadly mistaken! THIS WAS A PLANNED EVENT THAT LOOK LIKE A CIA CONVENTION RIGHT?MY TWO CENTS!

[JDB4JFK]

Bruce comments on your post written at 6:16 June 29th: 1. Authoritative source is Lee Bowers who saw two men just before the shooting behind the fence. Also Ed Hoffman saw two men, and a Policeman stopped and I beleive drawed his pistol on a man who showed him Secret service credentials. This guy was in a suit according to the Police officer. Ed Hoffman said one of the two guys he seen had a suit on. Last but not lease the railroadworkers who ran over after the shooting said they seen several muddy shoe prints at the area jimmy was suppose to be. Also behind the fence wasn't a crowed area he had protection from the trees and the fence. What about the guy Gordon Arnold came in contact with who pulled out a gun and took his camera? There must have been spotters all over that Jimmy didn't know about???By the way when I posted above and said I agree 100 percent with your post it was on the one you posted on June 28th at 8:19 P.M. Your comments please,

[Bruce Patrick Brychek]

Dear JDB4JFK:I understand well and good the reports about seeing other men near Jimmy. Jimmy and I laugh at this one quite often. More on this is a minute. In addition, there were people everywhere. If there was a spotter there for anybody it was Umbrella Man and his side kick, Walkie Talkie Man.I was addressing the cluelessness of stating that a CIA Trained Assassin in a crowded urban setting, with a 80 - 100 foot shot with a 3 Power Scope that could be made with Fixed Sights, needed a spotter. What would his function be ? To say "Look Jimmy, here comes JFK with a clear shot in his limo ?" That is why Jimmy walked and studied the terrain earlier that day.Think that through. Carefully consider the literal import of those words. That is worse than clueless, it's thoughtless.Doubling the chance of being seen and caught before, during, or after the Assassination of the President of the United States.Zero comprehension for what was written. A repeated comment from another clueless source.Further, these are not authoritative sources FOR SEEING A SPOTTER.Finally, consult with any experienced law enforcement official, or any related written legal reference book for lawyers, law enforcement, and investigators. The consistent Number One Unreliable Source ? Eye witnesses.Why do you think that Jimmy reversed his jacket, and put on his hat ? Jimmy and I are convinced that he was identified by witnesses as two different people, further confusing eye-witnesses as was intended, who are 80 % unreliable as it is. We really laugh at this point.Comments ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

[Dave Cannon]

To all my Fellow Forum friends,I feel very confident that Carlos Marcello, and Santos Trafficante and Johnny Rosselli are the key figures in the assassination. I do believe everything that James Files has said as truth.It has been documented that Rosselli and David Phillips had been working with the CIA plots to kill Castro, but I do not think that the CIA killed JFK. I do believe the CIA had to cover up what they new about the assassination to avoid a war with the USSR and or Cuba.It is a long story, but in short, if the US government investigated who Oswald, Ruby and others really were then it would lead to the discovery of illegal plots by Robert Kennedy and JFK and the CIA to kill Castro.The powers to be, Hoover, LBJ, Helms, Phillips and the CIA,and in general the US government had to cover this up in the name of national security to prevent a war. Organized crime did it and the US Government covered it up!Sincerely,Dave Cannon