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Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteC.I.A. Torture Is Legalized:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:40 am Dear Mr. Wim Dankbaar, and Fellow JFK Forum Members:C.I.A. Torture Is Legalized by the U.S.A. Federal Court System, and the Federal Law.The C.I.A. now runs the Federal Court System, and the Federal Law in the U.S.A.We are so far beyond 1984, George Orwell and Big Brother Is Watching, that Orwell could have never envisioned this. 1984, once believed to be fictional fantasy is now standardized fact and beyond.Could the fictional fantasy of H. G. Wells Time Machine, and the Eloi and Morlocks be less fictional in its concepts now ?Comments ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________9th Circuit throws out CIA torture lawsuit for national security reasonsThe decision by a divided appeals court says the risk of state secrets being exposed outweighs the alleged victims' right to seek damages from a Boeing subsidiary they say aided in the renditions.By Carol J. Williams, Los Angeles TimesSeptember 9, 2010Five foreign men who say they were kidnapped and tortured by the CIA cannot sue the Boeing Co. subsidiary that helped spirit them away for interrogations because of the risk of secret intelligence matters being exposed at trial, a sharply divided federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.The decision in the closely watched case was a significant victory for the Obama administration because it recognized a president's power to protect wartime actions from judicial scrutiny by invoking the state secrets doctrine.The civil rights lawyer who represented the alleged victims of the Bush administration's "extraordinary rendition" program said the ruling, if allowed to stand, means the United States has "closed its courtroom doors to torture victims."The majority in the 6-5 ruling of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals "reluctantly" concluded that national security interests in the case were paramount to "even the most compelling necessity" to protect fundamental principles of liberty and justice.The lawsuit brought by former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Binyam Mohamed and four others sought to hold San Jose's Jeppesen DataPlan Inc. responsible for the alleged violations committed against them because of the company's logistical support to the CIA. Jeppesen reportedly supplied the flight services and other assistance to CIA agents who whisked the men from Sweden, Pakistan, Jordan and Gambia to secret interrogation sites elsewhere overseas.In exacting detail, the majority reiterated the men's accounts of having been snatched off the streets in their resident countries or on business trips abroad, then blindfolded, shackled, stripped and transported to CIA "black sites." They said they were beaten, starved, subjected to electrical shocks to the genitals and held in darkness and isolation for months at a time."This case requires us to address the difficult balance the state secrets doctrine strikes between fundamental principles of our liberty, including justice, transparency, accountability and national security," began the majority opinion written by Judge Raymond C. Fisher, appointed to the San Francisco-based appeals court by President Clinton. "Although as judges we strive to honor all of these principles, there are times when exceptional circumstances create an irreconcilable conflict between them."The majority said the case couldn't go forward even on the basis of unclassified evidence already disclosed to the public because those facts were part of a "mosaic" and the court cannot order the government to "disentangle" innocuous information from what is secret."Litigating the case to a judgment on the merits would present an unacceptable risk of disclosing state secrets," the majority said.A federal district court judge in San Francisco in 2008 granted the U.S. government's motion to dismiss the lawsuit after President George W. Bush asserted his state secrets privilege, arguing that litigation of the case would reveal confidential national security practices and interrogation tactics.A three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit last year reversed the district court, saying the men should be allowed to prove their case on the unclassified evidence they claimed would be sufficient for a trial court to reach a judgment on their behalf.The five judges who dissented in the ruling deemed arbitrary imprisonment and torture "a gross and notorious act of despotism." They called the majority decision to dismiss the lawsuit "premature.""This court should not determine that there is no feasible way to litigate Jeppesen's liability without disclosing state secrets; such a determination is the district court's to make," read the dissent written by Senior Judge Michael Daly Hawkins, another Clinton appointee.A Justice Department spokesman welcomed the appeals court action dismissing the men's suit."The Attorney General adopted a new policy last year to ensure the state secrets privilege is only used in cases where it is essential to protect national security, and we are pleased that the court recognized that the policy was used appropriately in this case," said Matthew Miller, director of public affairs.An attorney for the plaintiffs disagreed."To date, not a single victim of the Bush administration torture programs has had a day in court," said Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union representing Mohamed and the other four men.Obama as a candidate vowed to rein in use of the state secrets privilege but has backed the Bush administration policy in several high-profile cases, including the rendition challenge. He also promised to abolish torture in handling terrorism cases.In the 55-page opinion, replete with ambivalence, the six judges voting for dismissal pointed out that the plaintiffs could still pursue compensation or redress from the U.S. government or Congress. They alluded to the Japanese Americans interned during World War II who were later paid reparations for the violation of their civil rights."We do not reach our decision lightly or without close and skeptical scrutiny of the record and the government's case for secrecy and dismissal," said the majority.Fisher noted in his opinion that the appeals court had had the opportunity to question the government attorneys behind closed doors after the hearing in December, and that the majority concluded after reviewing both public and classified declarations "that the government is not invoking the privilege to avoid embarrassment or to escape scrutiny of its recent controversial transfer and interrogation policies."Bobby Chesney, a national security law professor at the University of Texas, said the majority ruling was riddled with "overtones that suggest awareness of the human costs" of those subjected to government actions that have stirred serious concerns about human rights violations.In another indication of conflicting sentiments in the decision, the court ordered the U.S. government to pay all parties' costs."Maybe that's their way of doing rough justice," Allen Weiner, a Stanford University national security law professor, said of the unusual award of attorney fees to a losing party. "They may be saying the government gets its way, but we don't have to pile on and make the [plaintiffs] pay for losing."carol.williams@latimes.comCopyright © 2010, Los Angeles TimesBruce Patrick Brychek Posts: 642Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 4:09 amPrivate messageE-mail Bruce Patrick BrychekTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: C.I.A. Torture Is Legalized:by tom jeffers » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:45 pm bruce,the only thing that has changed is the degree of plausible deniability that is used. the store is open as usual. in fact this might save a few victims lives....they may let them live after the torture instead of finding them at the bottom of a gulley in a car crash.tomnothing surprises me anymore. america's response: "what's happening with lindsey lohan and the kardashians?"tom jeffers Top--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: C.I.A. Torture Is Legalized:by barney 1961 » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:06 pm The aptly-named "conundrum," is it better to torture, deprive, and utterly mistreat captives to gain information that could save thousands ofmilitary and civilian personnel, or is that against our conscious, religious beliefs, legal authority, and outside the parameters of theGeneva Convention Rules of Warfare. What a play on words, Rules of Warfare.Gen. Douglas McArthur stated is best, " the only thing important in warfare is victory, victory at all costs." " The victors draw up the rulesof surrender and peace, and write the history books, not the losers." barney 1961 Posts: 118Joined: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:46 amLocation: MississippiPrivate messageE-mail barney 1961YIMTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: C.I.A. Torture Is Legalized:by ChristophMessner » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:16 am Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Mr. Wim Dankbaar, and Fellow JFK Forum Members:C.I.A. Torture Is Legalized by the U.S.A. Federal Court System, and the Federal Law.The C.I.A. now runs the Federal Court System, and the Federal Law in the U.S.A.We are so far beyond 1984, George Orwell and Big Brother Is Watching, that Orwell could have never envisioned this. 1984, once believed to be fictional fantasy is now standardized fact and beyond.And that's why it would be so important to get the James Files story to the public at least.unjust peace is better than unjust war; just war is better than unjust peace; just peace is better than just war.

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ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:17 pm Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders, An Interim Report Of The Select Committee To Study Governmental Operations With Respect To Intelligence Activities, United States Senate, Together With Additional, Supplemental, And Separate Views, 94th Congress, 1st Session, Senate, Report No.: 94 - 465, November 20 (Legislative Day, November 18), 1975. I was able to find this at Border's Book Store, on their in house computer, order it, and receive it in less than 10 days, for $ 20.00. Any serious Researcher, Investigator, or Writer interested in JFK, C.I.A. and the U.S. Government's ideas on assassinations is strongly encouraged to obtain this book. Comments both Pro, and Con are welcomed, that are in a Very Serious Academic Approach. Nick Whalen, Bob, and Billy Boggs, based upon our communications thus far, I think that you all would truly benefit from this. I would very seriously like to hear your comments when you have time. Best Always, Respectfully, Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce Patrick Brychek Top--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:02 pm Dear Mr. Wim Dankbaar, and Fellow JFK Forum Members, The list of assassinations by the CIA and other branches of the US Government is virtually endless. This book focuses on the "convenient murder" option. Has anybody read this book ? I would love to hear your thoughts. Respectfully, Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce Patrick Brychek Top--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteCIA Recent Revelations:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:49 pm Dear Fellow JFK Forum Members, In light of recent CIA revelations, I now more strongly than ever, recommend that you read this report. Has anyone read this yet ? Respectfully, Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce Patrick Brychek Posts: 642Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 4:09 amPrivate messageE-mail Bruce Patrick BrychekTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:30 pm Dear Messers. Wim Dankbaar, Bob, Tom Jeffers, and Fellow JFK Forum Members:On Tuesday, 12.01.2009 President Obama gave his speech about sending 30,000 more Americans to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.After watching it completely, I then watched MSNBC"S Chris Mathews, Keith Olberman, and Rachel Maddow.I almost fell off the couch when Rachel said that the U.S. Army and Marines are doing the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.AND THE CIA IS FIGHTING THE PAKISTAN WAR. AND THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FIGHT, OR HAVE AN ARMY.That is close to a quote, but not exact.Did any other JFK Forum Member hear this, or read about this ?It reminded me of Jimmy telling people years ago about the SAO, The Secret Army Organization of the CIA. Many then thought he was crazy for that comment, along with other comments of his that came to fruition.Comments ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce Patrick Brychek Posts: 642Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 4:09 amPrivate messageE-mail Bruce Patrick BrychekTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Michael Calder » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:01 am Bruce,I read the report at Berkeley when working on my thesis. It is the best source of CIA being out of control and JFK resisting CIA. When William Harvey told the Committee that he and Richard Helms agreed NOT to inform the director of CIA, John McCone, of the CIA trying to murder Castro as well as the CIA's own separate assassination team headed by Harvey, I knew it was Richard Helms who was really in control of CIA. www.jfkcia.comMichael Calder Posts: 116Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:44 amPrivate messageE-mail Michael CalderTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:43 am Dear Mr. Michael Calder:Michael - Thank You for your brilliant insight. I have often heard or thought that, but have not read anything of an authoritative or confirming nature, that specific.I truly value your background, and insight. It helps me focus my efforts more precisely.I am in the process of doing much more research and study on Helms.Michael - Any references from you would be greatly appreciated.Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce Patrick Brychek Posts: 642Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 4:09 amPrivate messageE-mail Bruce Patrick BrychekTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by ChristophMessner » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:40 am My guess is that behind the idea of the USA as world military dominator and unilateral New World Order pusher is the group around Henry Kissinger with his weird ideads on history. His books don't question his standpoints at all. His philosophy about foreign policy summarizes to the essential that any foreign idea about foreign policy which differs from his has to be fought. And fought by all means and that includes the covert operations to kill democratic and socialistic leaders abroad to keep the foreign countries weak in comparison to the USA. Henry Kissinger forgot, that the uncritical view on the USA itself makes the USA loose it's role model position in the world by itself. It's a pity that James Files once fell into the hands of the wrong masters.unjust peace is better than unjust war; just war is better than unjust peace; just peace is better than just warChristophMessner Posts: 1468Joined: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:11 amLocation: GermanyPrivate messageE-mail ChristophMessnerTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Michael Calder » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:01 am Bruce Patrick Brychek,For the real history of Richard Helms not in his biography; - " United States Senate Joint Hearings before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources: Project MKULTRA, the CIA's Program of Research in Behaviorial Modification."Most University Libraries will have this report in their government documents section of one of their libraries. I believe it was conducted and written in 1973 or 1974. The librarian will be able to pinpoint the "book." Page3 begins with Richard Helm's involvement and continues throughout. There is no understanding Richard Helms without reading this select committee document. www.jfkcia.com Go get the bastard.Michael Calder Posts: 116Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:44 amPrivate messageE-mail Michael CalderTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:23 am Dear Messers. Hans Christoph Messner, and Michael Calder:Thank You both for your powerful contributions. I will follow both of your leads.You both are tremendous intellects.Hans and Michael I have been doing some reading about the alleged double agent concept of Henry Kissinger. I will get my notes and try to add to this, or edit my Post with an update later. Comments ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce Patrick Brychek Posts: 642Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 4:09 amPrivate messageE-mail Bruce Patrick BrychekTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Michael Calder » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:55 am Bruce Patrick Brychek,Some devastating observations on Henry Kissinger, if even one tenth true, is in a book called "Thanks for the Memories" by Brice Taylor. She claims to be a mind control victim with Henry Kissenger playing a large role in her control. It's all hearsay of course but when I read Bob Woodward's book on George Bush, and he related Henry Kissinger meeting with Bush in private many times, well, did we just have our first "Manchurian Candidate " president. It's far fetched and I'm not a proponent of the theory but I do keep it in the back of my mind. www.jfkcia.comMichael Calder Posts: 116Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:44 amPrivate messageE-mail Michael CalderTop--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Edit postDelete postReport this postInformationReply with quoteRe: ALLEGED ASSASSINATION PLOTS INVOLVING FOREIGN LEADERS:by Bruce Patrick Brychek » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:29 am Gentlemen:03.24.2006 I Posted this Headline. To those of you interested in CIA Assassination Plots, I strongly recommend reviewing this thread. This is a book you may want to read and own if you are serious about this Subject Matter. My Opinion.In addition, Michael Calder makes some very powerful contributions. Further, Michael Calder references some material that must be read and you may want to own if you are serious about this Subject Matter. Again, My Opinion.Comments ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

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