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Re: JFK Assassination: Was the Zapruder film altered?
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:17 am
by RobertP
Floyd Albert Reibe was a medical photographer present at JFK's autopsy at the naval base in Bethesda, Maryland, November 22, 1963."FLOYD ALBERT REIBE : a medical photographer at Bethesda "JFK: An Unsolved Murder", KRON, 11/18/88 (repeated in "JFK: The Case for Conspiracy" video 1993 [see still photo on p. 88 of Groden's "TKOAP"])---"a big gaping hole in the back of the head. It was like somebody put a piece of dynamite in a tin can and lit it off. There was nothing there."; Strongly disagreed with the autopsy photos: "The two pictures you showed me are not what I saw that night." Interviewer: "What did it look like?" "It had a big hole in it. This whole area was goneā¦It's being phonied someplace. It's make-believe.";The next is a gem:Q: All right, next view. These are the sixth view, "wound of entrance in right posterior occipital region," corresponding to to black and white numbers 15 and 16, color numbers 42and 43. [see autopsy photo, right] Mr. Riebe, do you see those images in front of you now?A: Yes, I do.Q: Is there anything in those images that appears to you to be materially different from what youobserved on the night of November 22nd?A: No. Q: I would like to specifically draw your attention to the occipital area of the head and see whether there is anything that appears to you to be inaccurate in that area.A: No, I don't think so.Q: Do the black and white images appear to you to have come from press pack?A: No, they don't.Q: Mr. Riebe, previously you described a wound in the occipital region of the head whereas in these photographs it appears that there is no wound there. [see above] What would be your explanation for that?A: I just didn't remember it properly.( Floyd Reibe arrb )Reibe says it does not differ from what he remembers seeing because hismemory must have been wrong . (!!!)Or, in English, it DOES differ from what he remembers, but he's happy tochange what he remembers to fit with what the photos apparently show. He'squite honest about it."So, was he offered money or did some agency put the fear of God into Mr. Reibe?
Re: JFK Assassination: Was the Zapruder film altered?
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:21 pm
by Bruce Patrick Brychek
04.24.2013Dear Mr. Robert P.:Robert - Quoting from your excellent material Posted above, fromMr. Floyd Albert Reibe:"... a big gapping hole in the back of the head. It was likesomebody put a piece of dynmite in a tin can and lit it off.There was nothing there."To date I have now amassed over 10,000 + hours of live, face toface interviews, all documented, all with notes, and many with audio - video recordings, all of Mr. James Earl Sutton - Files, andmyself. This process began decades ago, and has continued throughthis last weekend. I am supremely confident in my belief in the statements of Files. While some still don't, and others will never believeFiles, old evidence hiding in "plain site" is often brought to the forefrontdaily that totally underscores Files accuracy and credibility.During an extensive interview and reinactment of the JFK Shooting with Mr. James Earl Sutton - Files this past weekend we covered thisexact point.I reiterate two (2) major points:1. JFK was hit in the right temple area by Mr. James Earl Sutton's speciallymade, mercury filled hollow point fired from his Remington XP - 100 Fireball.Files never originally talked, and often denied his involvement, often trying to keep it covered up. The FBI released his name, in the same manner that the Boston Marathon Matter is being handled, and leaked to the press today.2. JFK was instantly dead. The alleged attempts to revive him were allsmoke and morrors, to allow for planning what to do next. The cover - up wasalready further under way at that point in time.Comments ?Respectfully,BB.
Re: JFK Assassination: Was the Zapruder film altered?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:34 am
by RobertP
Dear Mr. BrychekThank you for posting to this thread. That is quite the record of interviews you have established with Mr. Sutton/Files. If anyone is qualified to make statements about Mr. Sutton/Files, it is certainly you.As to your first point, it stands a very good chance of being entirely accurate. I have never had any experience with mercury filled hollow point bullets but I understand well the principle behind them and consider they have the potential to be devastating. Imagine, if you will, the damage potential of a hollow point bullet alone, and then add to it a small bead of mercury (specific gravity of 13.53 as opposed to lead at 11.3) hurtling forward as the bullet slows and expands within the wound. Once the bead of mercury escaped the tip of the bullet, there would be nothing controlling it and it would spread out and destroy all the brain matter in front of it.As I stated at the beginning of this thread, I believe, after reading testimony and interviews from Parkland and Bethesda, that there was not a large wound in the forward part of JFK's head as seen in frame z313 of the Zapruder film. All evidence points to a small entrance wound in JFK's right temple and a large exit wound in the right rear of JFK's head in the occipital parietal region. Further evidence points to a small entrance wound just below the large gaping wound in the right rear of JFK's head.While it is the favorite pastime of the Warren Commission apologists to point out the impossibility of a shot from the Grassy Knoll entering JFK's right temple and exiting the right rear of his head, I would like to relate my experiences deer hunting that might go a long ways towards explaining this enigma.I live in a remote part of northwestern Canada and, when I was younger and raising a family, I was able to ease the burden of our grocery bill by hunting the blacktail deer that live here for meat. I had a .308 bolt action rifle and, to bolster accuracy, I began handloading my own cartridges. I experimented with different powder loads and different styles and weights of soft pointed bullets. As the deer are not very big here, we most often went for head shots to minimize damage to the meat. Of course, you want the maximum damage with a head shot, to ensure the kill, and this was one of the reasons I decided to try loading hollow point bullets.The bullets I chose were spire pointed hollow points weighing 110 grains. We chronographed these bullets at the range and found them to have a muzzle velocity of just over 2900 ft/second.Then I took them hunting. Oh, dear God, what an experience that was. The first thing you find out is that there is a world of difference between shooting a deer in the head with a soft point bullet and a hollow point bullet. It was absolutely, undeniably obscene. I shot one deer in the side of the head and the top of his head came off, leaving the antlers dangling down. Another was similar to JFK, shot just above the eye and the back of the head, on the same side, was the site of a great exit wound. And, while the Mythbusters claim that a bullet will not move the creature it hits, I have seen hollow point bullets literally lift a deer off of its front feet. I quit using them after a few kills, as it was a little disturbing to see deer with such badly mangled skulls.What many people do not understand is that it is not the bullet that makes the large exit wound, it is, rather, hydraulics. As a bullet expands (greatest with a hollow point) and travels through the brain, it is pushing matter and fluid ahead of it in a great pressure wave, leaving a cavitation wake behind it. This wave may reach, for a fraction of a second, many thousands of pounds of pressure. It is this pressure wave, much larger from a hollow point bullet, that will cause the recipient of the bullet to recoil backwards. As the bullet is slowed to a stop inside the skull, the energy is transferred to the skull. If the bullet does not stop but exits the other side of the skull, far less energy is transferred and the reaction is minimized. While bullets with controlled expansion (full metal jacket and soft point bullets) will often exit on the opposite side of the skull from the entry wound, hollow points will often come apart so completely inside the skull, there is not enough of the original bullet left to make it to the opposite side of the skull. However, the pressure wave still needs to find relief and, in the case of JFK, the weakest part of the skull was obviously the right posterior in the occipital parietal region. Whether this area was weakened by the shot entering the external occipital protruberance a fraction of a second before the shot entered the right temple is difficult to say. Further to this, I can only guess at what the internal pressures inside JFK's skull would have been if the two bullets had entered within a close enough time span of each other.As to whether JFK died instantly or not, there is a very good possibility he did, although the modern definition of death makes this a bit difficult to pinpoint. Just for analysis purposes, I will re-post Dr. Carrico's Warren Commission testimony.From the Warren Commission testimony of Dr. Charles J. Carrico, March 25, 1964:"Mr. SPECTER - Would you continue to describe your observations of the President? Dr. CARRICO - His-- the President's color--I don't believe I said--he was an ashen, bluish, grey, cyanotic, he was making no spontaneous movements, I mean, no voluntary movements at all. We opened his shirt and coat and tie and observed a small wound in the anterior lower third of the neck, listened very briefly, heard a few cardiac beats, felt the President's back, and detected no large or sucking chest wounds, and then proceeded to the examination of his head. The large skull and scalp wound had been previously observed and was inspected a little more closely. There seemed to be a 4-5 cm. area of avulsion of the scalp and the skull was fragmented and bleeding cerebral and cerebellar tissue. The pupils were inspected and seemed to be bilaterally dilated and fixed. No pulse was present, and at that time, because of the inadequate respirations and the apparent airway injury, a cuffed endotracheal tube was introduced, employing a larynzo scope. Through the larynzo scope there seemed to be some hematoma around the larynx and immediately below the larynx was seen the ragged tracheal injury. The endotracheal tube was inserted past this injury, the cuff inflated, and the tube was connected to a respirator to assist the inadequate respiration. At about this point the nurse reported that no blood pressure was obtained."The cyanotic or "blue" condition of JFK's skin tells us his cells were not being adequately perfused with oxygen, indicating breathing and pulse were likely absent. While he tells us there were "a few cardiac beats" he then tells us, in the next sentence, "No pulse was present". This may seem like a contradiction but, it must be remembered that, while there is no pulse, there would still be electrical activity in the heart, occasionally making the inadequate "cardiac beats" that Dr. Carrico heard. The same goes for the breathing. While the part of the brain that controlled JFK's breathing was likely destroyed, the body, for a goodly amount of time after "death" occurs, will still attempt a primitive form of respiration referred to as "agonal" breathing. It is sporadic and totally inadequate, as Dr. Carrico points out, and may continue for some time following the time of death. While the pupils were dilated and fixed, indicating death had occurred, JFK would still have been a good candidate for cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, given the evidence of electrical activity in his heart and agonal breathing, if not for the massive wound in the back of his head. I believe it was this, and the importance of the patient, that made them go that extra step when, in their hearts, they knew it was likely hopeless.I do not believe the Parkland ER doctors were part of any coverup. I fact, judging from how their stories have changed over the decades, I believe they had considerable pressure exerted on them to bring them in line with the official WC story.
Re: JFK Assassination: Was the Zapruder film altered?
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:58 am
by Bruce Patrick Brychek
05.03.2013Dear Mr. Rober P.:Robert - You have provided substantial, powerful information and materialon major subject matters herein. Many serious readers often read materialhere, and pay significant attention. With Messrs. Ken Murray, Bob Fox, Phil Dragoo, and many others, if complimentswere to be paid for each excellent contribution, that would consume many pages.Like my highly respected friend, Mr. Bob Fox, I have been a seriously interestedmember here since the inception. In the past, The JFK Murder Solved Forum washacked several times. Some of the times, Mr. Wim Dankbaar began practically anew. Hundreds of my original contributions were erased, never to be re-created.In my opinion, the cumulative value and totality of this body of work providestremendous analysis, reading, research, study, and writing on substantial subjectmatters that are often inter-related in some way, shape or form.Mr. Robert P the seeds you have planted here have taken root, and will continueto grow with this Tremendous Tree Of Knowledge known as The JFK Murder Solved ForumPlease continue with your great efforts among the great works of others here.Stay the course.Comments ?Respectfully,BB.
Re: JFK Assassination: Was the Zapruder film altered?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:51 pm
by RobertP
Dear Mr. BrychekThank you again for the compliments. We are indeed in a struggle to bring the truth to light and, together, I believe we will one day be successful.I decided this thread would not be complete without posting a link to the most excellent article written in August,1994 by Gary L. Aguilar, MD. The title of the article is "John F. Kennedy's Fatal Wounds: the Witnesses and the Interpretations from 1963 to the Present". This is, perhaps, one of the most comprehensive essays written on this topic. Mr. Aguilar does a very good job of documenting medical witnesses (and other witnesses) clearly describing a large gaping wound in the right lower rear of JFK's head via their WC testimony, statements, personal notes written within a day or two of the assassination and interviews in the 1960's. He then contrasts this with interviews given in the early 1990's, usually with Gerald Posner, that, in most cases, contradict their 1960's statements. One is left wondering, after reading the essay, if Mr. Posner is merely a colossal liar, or if these medical witnesses were either terrorized or bribed into changing their views so completely.
http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm
Re: JFK Assassination: Was the Zapruder film altered?
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:27 pm
by Bruce Patrick Brychek
07.01.2013Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:04.25.2013 - Mr. Robert P Posted an extremely poweful analysis anddiscussion of the damage done to deer while hunting with speciallyloaded hollow points that he loaded. Read the entire discussion before,and after, above. But focus on Robert P's valid points.Herein he states that these loads would lift a deer, and blow its headapart, so much so that even as a hunter hunting to kill a deer to feed his family, he found the destruction and damage to be "...obscene..."Compare his points to the photo Posted by Mr. Joe "Dealey Joe" Hall underhis Headline of 06.20.2013, Where's The Brain ? Very Graphic. Whetherreal, or "...authentic, realistic receation of JFK's head injury...", thispicture speaks more than 1,000 words.And Robert P's words explain more than 1,000 pictures could.Comments ?Respectfully,BB.