A Couple of Things I Just Don't Believe

[Pennyworth]

Hello Bob, I more than BELIEVE that Chauncey Holt is telling the truth . I bought Wim's video and watched it.BUT DID he specifically SAY that he was one of the tramps in the PHOTO? There could have been a squad of tramps there that day.....

[Dealey Joe]

DagNabbit... now I gotta go watch the video again.........

[Dealey Joe]

Yes Chauncy definitely says he is the tramp in the hat. also said he used disguise makeup.Says the other two are Harrelson and Montoya. He knew Harrelson but not Montoya.Ordered to go to Dallas to deliver 15 Secret Service Badges and weapons for two people.Picked up Nicoletti and Maceri at the ranch in Tucson and drove from there to Dallas where he dropped themoff( where Files picked Nicoletti up the next morning)then went on to his room at the AdolphusHe himself was armed and carried a BATF ID Badge.Was supposed to put badges in a pickup truck that was not their yet but came later through a locked gateand also said it was a police parking lot just as Roger Craig said.Said Harrelson came up to him and identified himself and took his gun and ID and walked off.When shooting started he headed to boxcar and that Harrelson and Montoya were already there.Acually they already had LHO in custody by the time they were located in the boxcar.Chauncy said there were enough shady characters there in Dealey Plaza to have a soldier of fortune meeting.

[Pennyworth]

I still think that I'm correct....If the tramps were Rogers, Harrelson, and Holt then the conspiracy theory can be pinned on MOB connections..If the tramps were Doyle, Sturgis, and Hunt then a government conspiracy would come into involvement...Remember how Files still won't tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...and learn from this. Holt might have felt some pressure. IMO. Remember who you are dealing with...

[Pennyworth]

Pennyworth wrote:Dealey Joe wrote:That I can find no one has given a good reason what difference it makes who the tranps were or are?I can't think of one reason why Cauncy should lie about it.Has anyone ever touched on why the parking lot had cars running around in and out?Roger Craig said it was a rental parking lot leased and ran by a Dallas cop and for the most partcops rented parking spaces there and that it was a locked gate to keep others out?He said most all the cops rented space for $3 a month to park while they were on duty.Hello Joe ,The reason for knowing who the tramps were are for identity purposes to support a conspiracy link on the grassy knoll....BUT anyone could have been there that day to see the president...I see your point ..I wonder if the grassy knoll was off limits to all people watching?Also take into consideration that the main people watching the parade would be Texas locals...others might be considered outsiders. There were a lot of non -Texans in high government offices there that day...open for debate..we should make a list here...

[Kirk]

Pennyworth, Bob and JoeMaybe there was a Tramps and Hobos Convention going in Dallas....Kirk

[Dealey Joe]

Yes there is a lot we do not know and likely never will.my take is that Holt was there as a CIA asset.I think Chauncy's story brings more questions than answers.1. why were they to dress as tramps?2. why didn't Harrelson and Montoya bring their own guns?3. did Files and Holt know each other?4. were the tramps there as possible patsies?6. did Files and Holt see each other there?7. where were Harrelson and Montoya when the shooting was going on?8. who is Montoya?on and on.Where do we get answers to this stuff?Chauncy is goneHarrelson is a druggie, liar anything he said would be suspect.our only hope is that Files may be writing his entire story to reveal some of this after he is gone?Kirk that is another mystery: why was everyone in town?

[Kirk]

Dealey Joe,I couldn't agree more on the questions and where the answers might come. Yeah, why were they all there is kind of the answer as well. First, I now believe almost all them were there. Partly as audience, partly as assets, and to also create confusion and muddy the waters. I think some knew pretty much what was going on, and others may just have had an idea at best.One thing that you have helped me to wonder and think about is the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe the CAP or LCAP is where the everything might really unravel. So many seem to connected by and from this. Also looking at the picture I start to wonder about some of the other unknowns, and I really am starting to believe Jack White. That there really were two Oswalds.KirkDealey Joe wrote:Yes there is a lot we do not know and likely never will.my take is that Holt was there as a CIA asset.I think Chauncy's story brings more questions than answers.1. why were they to dress as tramps?2. why didn't Harrelson and Montoya bring their own guns?3. did Files and Holt know each other?4. were the tramps there as possible patsies?6. did Files and Holt see each other there?7. where were Harrelson and Montoya when the shooting was going on?8. who is Montoya?on and on.Where do we get answers to this stuff?Chauncy is goneHarrelson is a druggie, liar anything he said would be suspect.our only hope is that Files may be writing his entire story to reveal some of this after he is gone?Kirk that is another mystery: why was everyone in town?

[Bob]

Kirk wrote:Dealey Joe,I couldn't agree more on the questions and where the answers might come. Yeah, why were they all there is kind of the answer as well. First, I now believe almost all them were there. Partly as audience, partly as assets, and to also create confusion and muddy the waters. I think some knew pretty much what was going on, and others may just have had an idea at best.One thing that you have helped me to wonder and think about is the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe the CAP or LCAP is where the everything might really unravel. So many seem to connected by and from this. Also looking at the picture I start to wonder about some of the other unknowns, and I really am starting to believe Jack White. That there really were two Oswalds.KirkDealey Joe wrote:Yes there is a lot we do not know and likely never will.my take is that Holt was there as a CIA asset.I think Chauncy's story brings more questions than answers.1. why were they to dress as tramps?2. why didn't Harrelson and Montoya bring their own guns?3. did Files and Holt know each other?4. were the tramps there as possible patsies?6. did Files and Holt see each other there?7. where were Harrelson and Montoya when the shooting was going on?8. who is Montoya?on and on.Where do we get answers to this stuff?Chauncy is goneHarrelson is a druggie, liar anything he said would be suspect.our only hope is that Files may be writing his entire story to reveal some of this after he is gone?Kirk that is another mystery: why was everyone in town?Guys...I think the tramps were possible patsies. Remember the explosives in the boxcar. I don't think there is any doubt that were at least a couple doubles for LHO either. Kirk, I have mentioned the LCAP more than once in this forum, and the significance it played in the assassination. This is from a previous post of mine...Okay, we know that Lee Harvey Oswald, David Ferrie, Charles Rogers, Barry Seal, James R. Bath and John Ligget were all in the LCAP. The LCAP was founded by D.H. Byrd who also just happened to own the Texas School Book Depository on 11/22/1963 and was also close friends with LBJ. What about the LCAP connection to Operation 40? Read this about Barry Seal and find out... http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKseal.htm We also know that Porter Bledsoe was also in the LCAP. Possibly William Ray Dobkins as well. Were these two also connected to Operation 40? Lots to chew on here.

[Dealey Joe]

I am sure that in the process of making LHO look guilty there were others usedin order to be places at certain and different times to create confusion and it hasworked quite well.I do not believe that there were two Oswalds all along, I think Lee went to Russia, was in N.York and otherplaces with his mother. Some even say there were more Margurite Oswalds. one tall and good looking the other short and ugly.So called researchers have created a nightmare that mostly will never be figured out.does anyone ever think we may have been led astray by imposter's? Why not?Why did someone try to plant the General Offense Report in the Oswald files?I say when we get to the place of knowing what happened in Oak Cliff we will be more able to understand LHO.We have three uninvestigated possible former members of the LCAP plus LHO all in the same area maybe even in the same house together. and no one has ever tied them together that I can find.I am sick of so called "researchers". When someone like Jim Ferzer, Wim Dankbaar, Judyth Vary Baker take a stand they are immediately attacked and branded as liars. How pathetic.One idiot wrote 3 or 4 pages on the internet disproving when LHO had a tooth out in order to proveJudyth is not telling the truth?? Give me a break.