George, Lee, Marina, Ruth and Michael

[John Beckham]

a brief timeline i put together. June 13th, 1962: The Oswalds arrive in Hoboken, NJ.June 14th, 1962: They leave by plane for Fort Worth.June 14th, 1962: They arrive in Fort Worth, where they move in with Robert.June 18th, 1962: Lee asks stenographer Pauline Bates to type a manuscript that he had written in Russia.June 19th, 1962: Lee contacts Peter Gregory, who gives him a letter testifying to Lee's Russian language ability.June 26th, 1962: is interviewed by the FBI for the first time.July 14th, 1962: They move in with Marguerite at 1501 W. 7th Street in Fort WorthJuly 17th, 1962: obtains a job at Louv-R-Pak Division of the Leslie Welding Company. but disliked the work and quit after three months.August 10th, 1962: They move to 2703 Mercedes St. in Fort Worth.August 16th, 1962: The FBI interviews Lee a second time.August 25th, 1962: They attend a dinner party at the home of Paul Gregory, where they meet several members of the local Russian émigré community.Marina stayed with the Taylor's (one of Georges daughters) for a couple of days in October or October 1962 Lee is hired at the graphic arts firm of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall as a photoprint trainee. His co-workers and supervisors eventually grew frustrated with his inefficiency, lack of precision, inattention, and rudeness to others, to the point where fights had threatened to break out. He had also been seen reading a Russian publication, Krokodil, in the cafeteria. November 1962. Gary Taylor helped the Oswalds move from Fort Worth to Dallas. February 1963, Marina wrote the Russian Embassy requesting aid to go back to the U.S.S.R. February, 1963, The Oswald's are introduced to Ruth Paine by the De Mohrenschildts at a party in Everett Glover's home.Lee had found an unlikely friend in the well educated and worldly petroleum geologist George de Mohrenschildt. geologist, and was also a business partner of Mohammed al Fayed and Clamar J. Charles. A man who knew him in Haiti said “I could never figure out what he did” and just assumed he was an intelligence agent. De Mohrenschildt spent the summer of 1938 with his older brother Dimitri on Long Island, NY, where he became acquainted with the Bouvier family, including young Jackie, future wife of Jack, and became a close friend of Jackie's aunt Edith Bouvier Beale. A native Russian speaker himself, de Mohrenschildt wrote that Lee spoke Russian "very well, with only a little accent." De Mohrenschildt said Lee was a patsy. In 1969, gun-runner Lauren Hall told him that he was offered $50,000 to participate in the assassination. In the same year, De Mohrenschildt told a friend he thought H.L. Hunt was behind the assassination and added that he was the link between Hunt and Lee. Hunt had run paramilitary operations before, using CIA men. His assistants heard him say he would like to see Jack shot and that the country would be better off without him. DeMohrenschildt took Lee to obtain a job at Nationwide Insurance (where Ruth Paine's father worked) located at the Southland Bldg.. downtown Dallas March 1963, Lee supposedly purchased a 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle (also improperly called Mannlicher-Carcano by mail order, using the alias "A. Hidell." He also purchased a revolver by the same method. The Warren Commission concluded that he attempted to shoot Walker with this rifle.March 20th, Ruth visited Marina. March 31st, 1963 at 214 W Neely in Dallas, Marina supposedly takes the backyard photographs.April 2nd, she invited Lee and Marina to her home for dinner. Michael picked them up and drove them to Irving, then joined them for supper. April 6th, after six months of work, his supervisor terminated Lee's employment at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.April 7th, Ruth invited Marina to move in with her.April 10th, Lee writes Marina a note. Puts his wedding ring in a little cup her grandmother gave her. Lee is obviously unsure about the outcome of the situation on that day. This note is not found until December 5th, 1964?April 10th, Marina and Ruth got together.April 10th, Lee supposedly attempted to assassinate retired Major General Edwin Walker.April 20th, Lee went on a picnic with Ruth and Marina.April 24th, Lee was about to depart for New Orleans to seek employment and try to find an apartment. Paine offered to drive him to the bus station. She said his trip came as a complete surprise. Ruth and Lee drove to the bus station, cashed in a ticket he had purchased for Marina, (since Ruth had offered to drive Marina to New Orleans), then they returned to Oswald's apartment and moved some belongings to Irving. They then returned to the bus station and Lee left for New Orleans.May 26, 1963, he wrote a letter to the NY City headquarters of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee "...renting a small office at my own expense for the purpose of forming a FPCC branch here in New Orleans." In July, Lee was "fired" from Reily for malingering.August 5th and 6th, according to anti-Castro militant Carlos Bringuier, Lee visited him at a store he owned in New Orleans. Bringuier was the New Orleans delegate for the anti-Castro Cuban Student Directorate. Bringuier told the Warren Commission that he believed Lee's visits were an attempt by him to infiltrate his anti-Castro group. August 9, he turned up in downtown New Orleans handing out pro-Castro flyers. Bringuier confronted Lee, claiming he was tipped off about his leafleting by a friend. During an ensuing scuffle, Lee, along with Bringuier and two of his friends, were arrested and charged with disturbing the peace. The arresting officers felt that the incident was staged.August 21, 1963, Lee makes a radio appearance hosted by Bill Stuckey, where he exposed his supposed Marxists beliefsSeptember 27th, a man presenting himself as Lee goes to the Cuban consulate in Mexico and asks for a transit visa through Cuba to the USSR. October 3rd, Lee leaves Mexico City and returns by bus to Dallas.October 10th, a CIA report is sent to the FBI warning against the strange behavior of a former Marine named Oswald at Mexico. FBI agent James P. Hosty warned Lee that if he engages in Fair Play for Cuba Committee activities in Texas will again take "interest" in him.October 18th, the Cuban embassy in Mexico City finally approved the visa, and 11 days before the assassination Lee wrote a letter to the Soviet embassy in Washington, D.C., which said, "Had I been able to reach the Soviet Embassy in Havana as planned, the embassy there would have had time to complete our business." On October 20, the Lee's second daughter, Rachel, was bornDuring this period, the FBI was aware of his whereabouts in TX, and agents from Dallas office twice visited the Paine home in early November when Lee was not present, hoping to get more information about Marina, whom the FBI suspected of being a Soviet agent. Ruth Paine called Lee's supposed phone number and was told there was no one by that name at the addressNovember 1st, FBI agent James Hosty goes to the Paine residence and asks for LeeNovember 21st, Lee asked Buell Wesley Frazier, a co-worker, for a ride to Irving, saying he had to pick up some curtain rods. The next morning, after leaving $170 and his wedding ring, he returned to Dallas with Frazier, carrying a long paper bag with him. Ruth and Michael Paine were instrumental in many ways. Both Paine's family members were know within the State Department and branches of the intelligence community before 1963. Michael Paine's stepfather, Arthur Young, invented the Bell helicopter. In 1941, just before the US entered into W.W.II, Larry Bell saw...a small [helicopter] model crafted by inventor and philosophy student, Arthur Middleton Young. In just six months, the team designed and constructed the first Bell helicopter, designing and fabricating parts as they went and solving problems with the use of mathematics, model experiments, intuition and trial-and-error. The first helicopter was officially designated the Model 30. In 1958, Michael began work for Bell Helicopter in Ft. Worth under Walter Dornberger. His mother, Ruth Forbes Paine Young, was a close friend of Mary Bancroft. Bancroft worked with Allen Dulles as a spy during World War II in Switzerland, and was the CIA Director under Eisenhower. Bancroft also became Dulles' friend and lover. She herself called Ruth Forbes, "a very good friend of mine." This may explain why the Paines were the most oft questioned witnesses to appear before the Commission. After his marriage to Ruth they settled in Irving. The couple were both active members of the ACLU. Ruth Paine's father was William Avery Hyde. The HSCA linked her father to George DeMohrenschildt as both belonging to the mysterious group ICA ( an international, non governmental organization to foster the growth of consumer cooperatives world wide) Just one month after the Warren Report was issued, Hyde received a three-year government contract from the Agency for International Development (AID). He became their regional adviser for all of Latin America. AID was riddled with CIA operatives. To the point that some called it an extension of the Agency. Hyde's reports were forwarded both to the State Department and the CIA. Ruth's older sister Sylvia Hyde Hoke, was living in Falls Church, VA. in 1963. Ruth stayed with Sylvia in Sept. of 1963 while traveling across country. Falls Church adjoins Langley, which was then the new headquarters of the CIA, a prized project of Allen Dulles. It was from Falls Church that Ruth journeyed to New Orleans to pick up Marina. After she picked her up, Marina moves in with Ruth.rina from Lee at the time of the assassination. John Hoke, Sylvia's husband, also worked for AID. And her sister Sylvia worked directly for the CIA itself. By the time of Ruth's visit, Sylvia had been employed by the Agency for eight years. In regards to this interestingly timed visit to her sister, Jim Garrison asked Ruth some pointed questions when she appeared before a grand jury in 1968. He first asked her if she knew her sister had a file that was classified at that time in the National Archives. Ruth replied she did not. In fact, she was not aware of any classification matter at all. When asked if she had any idea why it was being kept secret, Ruth replied that she didn't. Then Garrison asked Ruth if she knew which government agency Sylvia worked for. The uninquiring Ruth said she did not know. This is the same woman who was seen at the National Archives pouring through her files in 1976, when the House Select Committee was gearing up. Ruth does "missionary" work in Nicaragua. When Marina was called before the same grand jury, a citizen asked her if she still associated with Ruth Paine. Marina replied that she didn't. When asked why not, she stated that it was upon the advice of the SS. She then elaborated on this by explaining that they had told her it would look bad if the public found out the "connection between me and Ruth and CIA." An assistant DA then asked, "In other words, you were left with the distinct impression that she was in some way connected with the CIA?" Marina replied simply, "Yes." In 1963 Michael left the family home and moved into an apartment in Grand Prairie, it was a "friendly estrangement". Ruth launched an aggressive campaign to insert herself in the Oswald's life. She called on Marina, and not visa versa. Ruth and Michael have been separated. Michael has agreed to continue to support Ruth, and his children. But interestingly enough he has also agreed to contribute to the upkeep of Marina financially. The Paines insured the continued separation of Lee and Marina, allowing Lee to live unencumbered, and with no witnesses to his activities or associates during the principal time leading up to the assassination. Secondly, they provided a storage space for evidence that would be used against him. Almost everything that would convict him in the public mind, including the alleged murder weapon, came out of the Paine's garage. Also found in the garage, among other things, was the Walker photograph, the backyard photograph, the Klein's Sporting Goods tear-out order for the rifle, among other things. Why would Lee, supposedly intending to commit a crime, would allow such items to be stored in another's garage, instead of destroying the incriminating evidence. Michael's testimony is used to confirm that Lee had a rifle, and indeed it had been stored in their garage, in retrospect, of course, because Michael said he never realized it was a rifle. Hosty said Ruth told him Lee was "a very illogical person and that he had told her that weekend that he was a 'Trotskyite Communist.'" Ruth knew that Lee was connected to the CIA through someone in her family. Her family had strong ties to the intelligence community. What was not accounted for was that a sexual relationship developed between Ruth and Marina. When Dallas Police searched the Paine home after the assassination they found a commercial pornographic film depicting acts of lesbianism. Ruth "I certainly never saw them. I don't know what they thought they found." The police also found "Operating Manual for Sears Tower Automatic Projector No. 9885." On page 17 of the description of items found in the Paine home items J and K are marked DELETED. On November 26, 1963, S.A. Warren C. Debrueys informed SAC Gordon Shanklin: "Movie reels in possession of Dallas Pd on November 24, 1963, and November 25, 1963, as result of seizure by search warrant from the home of Ruth Paine, November 23, 1963...were reviewed and bore no pertinence to instant case." The National Archives reported: " After an extensive search we cannot locate this film in the JFK collection." The movie reels were probably returned to Ruth. The FBI explored the possibility that Ruth was a lesbian, however, it found no evidence and excised any indications of Bureau interest: "Stratton related that he had no reason to consider that Paine was a sex pervert or in this way involved with either of the Oswalds." Some correspondence between Ruth and Marina contained veiled references to lesbianism. Ruth's testimony pinpoints the time for placing the weapon in Lee's hands. She testified that on the night before the assassination Lee showed up unexpectedly at her house to visit. Lee's usually visited his family on weekends starting friday nights... So during the course of the evening, Ruth comes in after dinner, she goes into the garage and finds that the light had been left on. Ruth tells the Warren Commission that she would never leave the light on. So therefore Lee must have been in the garage to retrieve some of his belongings. This allows the Warren Commission to infer that this was the moment that Lee got his gun. But the only thing that this testimony really tells us for sure is that Ruth was in the garage. Although the Paines probably did not participate in a plot to kill the president, they may have been withholding evidence about Lee. Robert Oswald himself claimed, right after the assassination, that he felt Michael knew more about that event than he was revealing. According to fellow worker, Dave Noel, Michael discussed the "character of assassins" a few hours before President Kennedy was killed. He also returned to his home in Irving at 3.00 p.m. to find Dallas police officers searching the premises. He told the police "As soon as I found out about it, I hurried over to see if I could help." Michael was overheard talking to his wife on the phone. He said that he was sure that Lee had killed Kennedy. He added: "We both know who is responsible." Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the Paine home, and, told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." James DiEugenio has argued that this "cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism." So, after the Paine's take in the Oswald's, Lee goes to New Orleans to play double agent in the pro-Castro, anti-Castro groups? What are the odds? Then, when it's time for the Oswald's to come back to Texas, Ruth visits her CIA sister then picks up Marina. Lee supposedly will wait for a check to come, but goes to Mexico, telling Marina to tell no one! Then Ruth "discovers" a job for Lee at the TSBD? The Paine's were playing Lee, and he might have been playing them back? A work friend of Michael, Frank Krystinik, told the Warren Commission about how he reacted when he heard the news that Tippit had been killed: "We heard that Tippit had been shot, and it wasn't very long after that that it came through that the Lee fellow had been captured, had had a pistol with him, and Michael used some expression, I have forgotten exactly what the expression was, and then he said, "The stupid," something, I have forgotten. It wasn't a complimentary thing. He said, "He is not even supposed to have a gun." And that I can quote, "He is not even supposed to have a gun." Or, "Not even supposed to own a gun," I have forgotten." Jim Garrison later suggested that the Paines might have been involved in setting Lee up as the "patsy". Garrison points out that Paine's father " had been employed by the Agency for International Development, regarded by many as a source of cover for the C.I.A. Her brother-in-law was employed by the same agency in the Washington, D.C. area." He also claims that he had tried to "examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael, but I was told that they had been classified as secret.... What was so special about this particular family that made the federal government so protective of it?" Why did Ruth make the notation "LHO purchase of rifle" on the March 1963 page of her Hallmark pocket calendar? Marina said she had never told Ruth or Michael that Lee owned a rifle. She does not believe that he ever told either of them that he owned one. She does not believe that either of the Paine's knew that Lee had a rifle although she is not positive of this. Marina classified Ruth as a very talkative person and one to whom you could not tell a secret because she could not keep a secret. She said Ruth was not the type of person to whom you would tell things to.

[ChristophMessner]

Thanks a lot, John, for ALL this information! "Almost everything that would convict him in the public mind, including the alleged murder weapon, came out of the Paine's garage."So the Paines really played a rotten game on Harvey and Marina. Kind of mind control. I wonder why the Paines weren't killed, but DeMohrenschildt.

[John Beckham]

ChristophMessner wrote:Thanks a lot, John, for ALL this information! "Almost everything that would convict him in the public mind, including the alleged murder weapon, came out of the Paine's garage."So the Paines really played a rotten game on Harvey and Marina. Kind of mind control. I wonder why the Paines weren't killed, but DeMohrenschildt.lol! i've already asked why, and it's 'cause the Paines played, de Mohrenschildt talked.IT'S THE PAINES! IT'S THE PAINES!!(as i run down the street naked)

[John Beckham]

blowing the cover...

[Frenchy]

Thanks John, some great information there mate.

[Bruce Patrick Brychek]

10.20.2013Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:01.30.2009 - Mr. John Beckham Posted this interesting Headline,then followed it with some excellent work of his own.Only a short discussion followed, but John presented someauthentic work presenting facts, points of interest, and opinionsthat many may not be aware of.This should be considered in conjunction with the other Headlinesand Posts about LHO here on the JFK Murder Solved Forum.Any additional analyses, interviews, investigations, readings,research, studies, thoughts, or writings about any aspect ofthese subject matters ?Comments ?Respectfully,BB.