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I just came upon something new to me, and if any of you care to comment/enlighten, I'm all ears...Madeline Brown said that after the 'Murchison' party broke up late on the night of November 21 (or early morning November 22) that LBJ went to another 'party' at The Cellar Door in Fort Worth- where some Secret Service Agents were reported to have been until the early morning hours.True?

I haven't a clue about where LBJ was after that party.

Youtube: Was it Johnson? Part 1,2,3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ObQ1NWvbO0&fea ... tedYoutube: The Murchison Partyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awGbwIIIYug&fea ... dMadeleine Brown was a businesswoman who worked for Glenn Advertising. Later she claimed she had an affair with Lyndon B. Johnson. In 1988 she told Jack Anderson that: "In the fall of 1963 I was in the Carousel Club with other advertising people and Jack Ruby was saying that Lee Harvey Oswald had been in the club and he had been bragging that he had been bragging that he had taken a shot at Major General Edwin Walker".On 24th February, 1992, Brown gave an interview on the television show, A Current Affair. Brown claimed that on the 21st November, 1963, she was at the home of Clint Murchison. Others at the meeting included J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy, Richard Nixon, Harvey Bright and Haroldson L. Hunt. At the end of the evening Lyndon B. Johnson arrived: "Tension filled the room upon his arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red-faced, re-appeared. I knew how secretly Lyndon operated. Therefore I said nothing... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard, it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise."Brown claimed that Lyndon B. Johnson was the father of her son, Steven Mark Brown. Barr McClellan later confirmed that Madeleine Brown received regular payments from Johnson via his Brazos-Tenth, his money-laundering corporation.In 1987 Steven Mark Brown filed a lawsuit against the estate of his father. This was unsuccessful and in 1990 he died of cancer.Brown published her autobiography, Texas in the Morning: The Love Story of Madeleine Brown and President Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1997. In the book she claimed that Johnson was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.Madeleine Brown died on June 22, 2002.Brown said that the plan to kill JFK had its origins in the 1960 Democratic Convention, at which John F. Kennedy was elected as presidential candidate with Johnson as his running mate, where H.L. Hunt, an American oil tycoon, and Lyndon Johnson hatched the assassination plot."When they met in California Joe Kennedy, John Kennedy's father, and H.L. Hunt met met three days prior to the election - they finally cut a deal according to John Currington (an aide to H.L. Hunt) and H.L. finally agreed that Lyndon would go as the vice president....this came from the horse's mouth way back in 1960 - when H.L. came back to Dallas I was walking....with him....and he made the remark, 'we may have lost a battle but we're going to win a war,' and then the day of the assassination he said 'well, we won the war'," said Brown.Brown said that in the immediate aftermath of the convention Hunt and Johnson mapped out a strategy to kill Kennedy."It was a total political crime and H.L. Hunt really controlled what actually happened to John Kennedy - he and Lyndon Johnson," said Brown."They had this lodge....outside of Dallas and they would meet there....he chose different people to do certain things for him and I'm sure it went on about two years prior to the assassination of John Kennedy."Watch a clip of Robert Gaylon Ross' eye-opening interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSRJ5cm8XCgIn the video Brown describes the make-up and activities of the "8F group" which revolved socially and politically around Johnson and Hunt and included high rolling oil tycoons, judges and then FBI director J. Edgar Hoover.The group included Jack Ruby, the Dallas nightclub owner who would later shoot the patsy Lee Harvey Oswald dead on November 24."We were playing poker at the Carousel Club and Jack Ruby came over and he said 'you know what this is?' and I looked up....he had this motorcade route....it stung me that he would be this involved in knowing where the President of the United States was....at that time in my life I thought they were untouchable," said Brown.Brown described Ruby as the "in man" in Texas who could be trusted to arrange call girls, drugs, gambling fixes and even contract killings.Read the discussion about the Murchison Party on educationforum: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... opic=4099I think LBJ did not trigger the plot, he just welcomed it and participated in it, as he was the marionette of the oil billionaires like almost all of the politicians in Washington. The conspiracy started at the top of the hyrarchy, which is way above the president, where there is the real control over the money and the economic system.

Johnson was almost a puppet on a string voor Hoover they were old buddies and lived in the same street At least that,s what,s most people in Dallas told me, nothing beats the influence of Hoover on Johnson concerning the assasination.

According to Madeline Brown, Hoover was using LBJ's affair with Brown (and others) to control his 'friend' LBJ. But also according to Brown, LBJ told her that Clint Murchison and the oil boys owned Hoover.While all the posts about LBJ are helpful to those as yet unfamiliar with those things, my question was more specific;does anyone know anything more about LBJ's alleged trip to The Cellar in Fort Worth in the early morning hours of November 22, 1963?

ThomZajac wrote:According to Madeline Brown, Hoover was using LBJ's affair with Brown (and others) to control his 'friend' LBJ. But also according to Brown, LBJ told her that Clint Murchison and the oil boys owned Hoover.While all the posts about LBJ are helpful to those as yet unfamiliar with those things, my question was more specific;does anyone know anything more about LBJ's alleged trip to The Cellar in Fort Worth in the early morning hours of November 22, 1963?Thom, I haven't found anything so far about LBJ's alleged trip to The Cellar, but I will keep looking as I'm sure you will too.

Thanks Ken.LBJ being at The Cellar Door with SS guys would be significant in my book. Technically, alcohol was not served there. but it was clearly a nod/nod-wink/wink sort of thing. Piecing things together, my hunch is that those not knowledgeable of the assassination plot were encouraged to drink and drink a lot, and perhaps even aided with a mickey. LBJ being going there after having been at the Murchison party, well, I have to think he was up to no good.A timeline of LBJ's activities in the month or so prior to the assassination would be telling, I think. Maybe someday I'll get around to that (if it hasn't been done yet).

LBJ was obviously a key player in all of this. He was going to be replaced on the 1964 Presidential ticket and Bobby Kennedy was looking to indict him and his criminal buddies. Also, all you have to do is look at Vietnam as well. In September of 1963, there were 16,000 troops/advisors in Nam with only 82 deaths up to that point. JFK wanted all troops/advisors out of Nam by 1965. But after the assassination, LBJ had INCREASED the troop level in Nam to over 500,000 troops and by the time the war was over, over 58,000 troops had died, not to mention the countless hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese that died. LBJ's good friend J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI also played a key part in all of this, as he also knew that the Kennedy brothers were looking for him to "retire" very soon. There is NO doubt that these two were complicit in the death of JFK, both BEFORE and AFTER the murder.

LBJ, who had the most to gain when JFK was assassinated:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUsuuBoi7d0

This from the LBJ tapes is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GT9UN7 ... re=related