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is they begin with if.All the recent debate over the Z Film alteration may seem over the top from an outsider's view like my own, and maybe even frustrating as well, but it also gives me some hope because people are actually questioning the evidence.If only the original investigators had questioned and debated the evidence with the same amount of passion as this forum and others, would we not know the truth by now? Of course the Warren Commission Investigation was not an Investigation, but a Commission created to make facts fit a pre-arranged verdict.I say let the difficult debates continue, but we must always balance our passion for a point view with compassion for others on this forum that might have a different opinion.Maybe soon we need to remind ourselves of our common beliefs, understandings and cause.Maybe just the simple thought that JFK was murdered in Dallas, and that the Official Story was a lie.

From Gil Jesus:http://i56.tinypic.com/20aqrl2.jpg

Phil Dragoo wrote:http://i56.tinypic.com/2zxsbb9.jpgThanks Phil. I meant to put this one up too but forgot lol.

Thanks Ken and PhilThat is enough reasonable doubt for any one with an open mind, and my hope is that this forum, people like you two will help to open minds. You have both helped me to open my eyes, since I have been on this forum.Kirk

From Inside Edition. OReilly interviews Sturgis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DrsRYZL ... re=related

KenFrank Sturgis says KGB Killed Kennedy. Boy, that's good enough for me.1990. His eyes are so dark: alcoholism, heart condition, demons.Somebody made Khruschev an offer he couldn't refuse in 1964, and replaced him with the more aggressive Brezhnev.We had Roselli pushing the Fidel-did-it, and making the mistake of saying we sent Ruby to silence Oswald. They drummed Johnny out of the corps.Hunt went down in 2007 saying Johnson did it.Blakey suppressed the HSCA investigation and said the mob did it.Waldron and Hartmann say humidity or a wardrobe malfunction or the heartbreak of psoriasis did it.I think some are convinced that Mossad agents paraglided off the Records Building with Uzis.Douglass cites the Unspeakable which may overlap with Prouty's power elite and Ike's military-industrial complex.We can't ignore Angleton handling the Oswald file, Phillips finessing the Mexico City WWIII virus with Kostikov, military intelligence providing Oswald's identity and address, and the interweaving of military intelligence and Dallas PD.An observation on Sturgis. He worked with Hunt to sabotage Nixon via the Watergate bunglery.In comes Ford to appoint Rockefeller to investigate CIA and Bush to head CIA.In 1990 as this interview was made (and Sturgis and O'Reilly-in-a-rug struggled to keep straight faces) we were transiting from Cold War to New World Order and War on Terror.Sturgis could have said Kennedy committed suicide with a silver derringer—the main thrust of all the laughable propaganda from Day One has been to deflect blame from the Company.As for Sturgis and Castro, and Ruby and Castro, and Oswald and Castro—isn't that what covert ops do, morph into any shape necessary to gain intelligence and affect outcome.Had KGB any input, Angleton would have got something out of Yuri I. Nosenko, other than the clear impression of most that James Jesus was a bug-crazy paranoid who failed to dectect Ames yet saw moles in innocuous places.God help us.

KenI have David S. Lifton's Best Evidence: Disguise and Deception in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy. It's the 1982 Dell paperback edition with the photos he mentions in the youtube you linked.I read it around 1997 and was absolutely rapt with amazement at its revelations. I found the response of Commission counsel Wesley Liebeler to be obstruction of justice and mentioned this to our friend the former Army intelligence officer tracking the Chinese order of battle in Korea later joining the bar and teaching law at university.His response, “We had dinner with the Liebelers; they're very nice people,” was a mirror to his remark at another time that “Kennedy was very dangerous.”Of course now it resonates with Secret Service agent Elmer Moore calling Kennedy a “traitor” and LBJ economic advisor Eliot Janeway warning what a “dangerous man this Kennedy is.”It's become fashionable in some circles to bash Lifton, to mock him, to dismiss him; I do not.In the five volumes of Douglas Horne's Inside the ARRB is the log of the commander of the Marine guard which received the shipping casket at 6:35 pm Eastern, 18:35 military.There is the testimony of Jenkins I believe that Humes wielded a skull saw BEFORE the official 8 pm start of the autopsy.We've seen all the witnesses assembled by Groden indicating the location of the wound—and Boswell, too, finally drew that for ARRB counsel Jeremy Gunn and military records chairman Douglas Horne.The bumblebee cannot fly; engineers have proved this. Lifton's detractors insist the body could not have escaped the watchful eye of Godfrey McHugh.Godfrey McHugh should have been between Greer and Kellerman yet was not.A bullet took his place.Dr. Perry saw the throat wound. The experienced surgeon described the round smooth hole as a wound of entry.It was necessary for Secret Service Agent Elmer Moore to badger Dr. Malcolm Perry all night long—and for the Secret Service to badger the Dallas doctors until they knuckled under.Why is it necessary for government thugs to bully citizens.Because the truth of a coup would be their undoing.A coup. A government regime change outside the constitution and the law, the will of the people be damned. Brutally pushed into a vain war at the cost of so many lives and the profit of so few hidden moguls.Libya, Egypt—these places have nothing on us, eh.

Phil, I bought Lifton's book after I look at the back of the book and the caption read "The Casket Was Empty."Meanwhile Lifton exposes Dale Myers as a Ghostwriter. Dale gets perturbed!http://www.ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_myers.htmlLater it was discovered that David Von Pein's milk in his corn flakes had a yellow color to it.