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I was wondering if anybody here who goes deeply into various subjects has ever found out why Pierre Finck was late for the JFK autopsy.
After all, he probably held an important 9 to 5 job, possibly at Walter Reed Hospital, and even if he did work evenings, it would seem impossible to understand why he couldn't cancel any previous engagements in order to be there for probably the most important autopsy of the century. I'm sure people would understand.
This question occurred to me as I was reading a second JFK book which described a helicopter which approached Air Force One only minutes after it had landed at Andrews AFB, which is against all safety regulations. This helicopter remained on the back side of the plane for a short period and then departed.
Anyone know for a fact where it might have flown?
According to author Craig Roberts in his book Kill Zone, the helicopter might have gone to Walter Reed, where someone, even possibly Colonel Pierre Finck, might have assisted in the "surgery to the top of the head", according to FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill. Other activities that could have occurred at this time might be the removal of other bullets, the enlargement of the throat wound, and the removal of more, if not most, of the brain.
Does anyone know if Finck worked out of that hospital? After all, it is an army hospital, and he is an army colonel.
The president's body may then have been returned to the body bag and then flown by helicopter to Bethesda Naval. If Finck traveled to Bethesda by car, he would of course arrive after the body. In addition, if he did attend the surgical procedures at Walter Reed (if in fact they did occur) he would probably have other important duties to perform, including some form of communication to the high-ranking officers at the autopsy itself, and specific instructions so that they could direct the Navy doctors as to what they could do and could not do, and probably he might have to write out some form of memorandum or report, so that everyone involved could get their stories straight.
If anyone knows anything about this interesting subject matter, please respond. I think it is a very curious thing that the Colonel could not be there on time.

Dear Mr. John Zeroski

I have just reviewed your post. I found it very interesting, as I do all information that I was previously unaware of. Thank You.

I would be very seriously interested in your thoughts after you reviewed the Video/DVD Documentary, Best Evidence, by Mr. David S. Lifton.

I have a previous Headline Review of this on the JFK Forum called
Best Evidence.

If you have not seen this yet, I would strongly recommend it.

JFK'S body was clearly bounced between caskets, and "after death surgeries to alter JFK'S body, the Best Evidence." The helicopter that you mention could possibly explain how JFK'S body was secretly moved. Heretofore, nobody could fully explain this. Although one theory was a duplicate hearse, I believe.

Let me know what you think.

Respectfully,
Bruc Patrick Brychek.

Bruce,
I viewed the Best Evidence video quite some time ago, and, as I recall, it was quite short, and didn't go much beyond what was presented in the book. Consequently, it was a bit of a disappointment. It seemed to me that Lifton was just keeping his hand in, or wanted to earn a few dollars more on his research, which is fine with me, as he did a helluva job, and deserves all the credit in the world.
More information on Air force One's compartments, and how the body could have been removed and hid on the plane during the LBJ swearing-in, can be found in Craig Roberts' Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza. The author includes documentation that suggests the president's body was to be taken to Walter Reed, and not Bethesda.
Roberts also suggests an Establishment theory of the assassination, giving it a global outlook, which may not be to everyone's liking, but it makes for fascinating reading, and I highly recommend his book.

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:10.02.2006 - Mr. John Zeroski Posted this Headline about Pierre Fink being late for JFK's autopsy, and related points and subject matters.This is worth reviewing again, and questioning current readings and research on this plethora of inter-related points that contributed to the endless confusion of everything surrounding JFK's Assassination.Additionally, does anybody have any current observations on the works of Mr. David S. Lifton ?Has Lifton provided any recent research or writings that anybody is aware of ?Further, John Zeroski alludes to Craig Robert's Global Theory of the Assassination of JFK. Does this seem to hold more credence today ? Could the snowball have been started down the hill in a proper setting encouraged by even greater, unknown players with major hidden Global Agenda's at the time ?Comments ?Respectfully,BB.

Bruce, check out this podcast that Doug Horne did on Jim Fetzer's show.http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2010/02 ... rne.htmlAs far as Lifton is concerned, he has a new book on Oswald that still hasn't gone to press yet.

Finck's (Yes, Finck's)Vanishing Notes(this page still needs some editing, as regards exhibit numbers)It will become plain during the course of Finck's testimony that Humes was not the only autopsist to appear in retrospect somewhat short of notes.Dr Pierre Finck at the ARRB (1999):" Q: I would like to ask you some questions now related to documents that you may have had in your possession at one time or another related to the autopsy of President Kennedy, so let me start out first by asking you, did you prepare any autopsy notes during the course of the autopsy?A: I don't remember walking out of the autopsy room with notes. It was contribution, taking measurements and writing notes, but as far as knowing who wrote what, I don't know.Q: But did you write some things down yourself during the autopsy?A: Yes.Q: We are aware of prior statements that suggested that you did write down autopsy notes originally during the autopsy. Can you provide any clarification?A: No.Q: Do you remember a discussion that you had with some other people at the lunch room of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology shortly after the autopsy where you said that your original autopsy notes had been or were missing and that you had had to recreate autopsy notes from memory?A: I don't remember that.Q: Do you remember ever saying to anyone that you gave to Commander Humes notes that you had taken during the course of the autopsy?A: Can you repeat the question?Q: Sure. Do you remember ever saying to anyone that you had given autopsy notes to Commander Humes following the autopsy?A: In the autopsy room?Q: Notes that you had taken during the autopsy and had given to Commander Humes after the autopsy was completed.A: I don't remember.Q: Dr. Finck, I would like to show you testimony that appears to be testimony that you offered to the House Select Committee onAssassinations, House of Representatives, marked for the purposes of this deposition as [omitted] I would like to draw your attention to page[omitted] , lines through [omitted] , if you could take a look at that. And please feel free to read anything else in the document that you would like to read. [Handing document to witnessA: [Perusing document It is more accurate to determine an anatomic location when you have the wound itself on the dead body. That's what I just told you. Do you have a specific question regarding this?Q: Yes. I would like to read for the record the question from Mr. Purdy: "When did you write your notes that you gave the location of the wound? "Dr. Finck. During the autopsy I took measurements, but all my notes were turned over to Dr. Humes, and after the autopsy I also wrote notes, but the notes I wrote at the time of the autopsy were turned over to Dr. Humes."Dr. Finck, do you recall having been asked that question by the House Select Committee on Assassinations and having given that answer?A: I don't, and I agree with this.Q: Does this passage help refresh your recollection as to whether you took any notes at the time of the autopsy?.A: Yes."So we can conclude that Finck took notes, and that as of 1979 he was announcing under oath that he had given them to Humes at the end of the mortuary procedure."Q: You did take notes. Do you recall how many pages of notes you took during the autopsy?A: No.Q: Do you have any recollection at all whether it was one or more than one page?A: No.Q: Dr. Finck, I would like to show you another document that has been marked as Exhib[omitted] to this deposition, and it is on its face an affidavit of Leonard D. Saslaw, Ph.D. And I wish that you would take a minute to read this affidavit. [Handing document to witness] MR. GUNN: We can go off the record.[Discussion off the record.]BY MR. GUNN:Q: Dr. Finck, have you had an opportunity to read the affidavit of Leonard D. Saslaw, Ph.D.?A: Yes, I did.Q: Let me quote from two paragraphs of the affidavit and then I will ask you if that helps refresh your recollection to any events.I clearly heard Dr. Finck, who was speaking sufficiently loudly for his words easily to be overheard, complain that he had been unable to locate the handwritten notes that he had taken during the autopsy on President Kennedy. Dr.Finck elaborated to his companions with considerable irritation that immediately after washing up following the autopsy, he looked for his notes and could not find them anywhere. He further recounted that others who were present at the autopsy also had helped him search for his notes to no avail.............Dr. Finck concluded his story by angrily stating that he had to reconstruct his notes from memory shortly after the autopsy."The question, Dr. Finck, is do these two paragraphs help refresh your recollection first on the question of whether you took notes during the autopsy?A: I don't know."This (above) offers us a tiny but highly interesting glimmer of light on the subject.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Q: Dr. Finck, would it have been your regular practice during the course of an autopsy in which you participated to take notes and measurements?A: Yes.Q: Would that be a standard practice and procedure that most prosectors would engage in during the course of an autopsy?A: Yes.Q: Dr. Finck, did you keep any kind of diary or written record of events that you were involved in?A: I don't know.Q: Dr. Finck, you have no idea at all whether you kept something like a diary in ?A: I don't remember.Q: I am not trying to ask you to remember any details of what were in the notes, but just simply whether it was your regular practice and whether you have any knowledge about whether you did take notes at the time of the autopsy.A: I took notes.Q: Dr. Finck, I would like to show you a document which has been marked MD-[omitted] for this deposition. I should - perhaps I should state that it appears on its face to be a collection of several documents that may have been created atdifferent points.We have numbered the pages here in the bottom right-hand corner as going up to page[omitted] . And I would like you to look at the documents here and ask you whether you have any recollection of having previously seen the documents? [Handingdocuments to witnessA: [Perusing documents] I certainly agree with pages and of that exhibit [omitted]- that I signed.Q: Okay.A: I agree with that. I recognize it.MR. GUNN: Let me state for the record that the first two pages appear on their face to be a document dated January "Subject: The Autopsy of President Kennedy Summary;" signed it appears by Pierre A. Finck on the second page.BY MR.GUNN:Q: Dr. Finck, is that your signature on the second page?A: Yes, it is.Q: Do you have a recollection of having written the document that is the first and second pages of Exhibit[.] ?A: Yes, I do.Q: Dr. Finck, when you prepared the document, the first two pages of this exhibit, did you use any notes or reference material in order to be able to write the document?A: Probably so, but that's why I don't remember the details, how many pages, when did I take the notes, but I agree with those two pages.Q: Did you ever create a file in any file of records and materials related to the autopsy of President Kennedy?A: Well, this is an example. I signed that and this is part of the documents. More details I don't remember.Q: Do you a have a copy of this document, that is the first two pages, in your possession in Switzerland?A: I don't.Q: Would it have been your standard practice, before writing a document like the first two pages of Exhibit , to refer to notes before writing the document, or would you typically write something like the first two pages from memory?A: I don't know. I can't answer.Q: Could you look at the document that is page of Exhibit and tell me whether you previously have seen that page [indicating]?A: [Perusing document] Yes. I remember that, yes.Q: Does this document, page of Exhibit , help refresh your recollection as to whether you kept and compiled notes related to the autopsy of President Kennedy?A: Yes. But again, without details -Q: Dr. Finck, let me make it clear, I am not asking you at all to remember any details of what was in notes. My question now is going simply to your practice regarding the taking of notes and whether you did in fact take notes related to the autopsy of President Kennedy? No specifics are being asked, just the fact of whether there is a written record, or ever was a written record created by you?A: I don't remember the details, it's too much time.Q: Would you please look at pages through of Exhibit , please. I won't be asking you any questions on specific information. My question will be whether you previously have seen the document, pages through of Exhibit .A: [Perusing document]MR. GUNN: We will go off the record for a minute while Dr. Finck is looking at that.[Discussion off the record.]MR. GUNN: Back on the record.BY MR. GUNN:Q: Dr. Finck, have you had an opportunity to examine the pages?A: I am not quite through.Q: Oh. Please continue. Take as much time as you need.A: Thank you. [Perusing document][Discussion off the record.]MR. GUNN: Back on the record.BY MR. GUNN:Q: Dr. Finck, have you now had an opportunity to review the pages that I have previously identified for you?A: I read the pages through of MD-. It refreshes my memory, and I agree on that.Q: Does reading pages through refresh your recollection as to whether you originally took notes related to the autopsy of President Kennedy?A: Yes.Q: You did originally take notes related to the autopsy?A: That's what I did. I didn't remember details, but now this shows me that I had taken -I remember taking measurements and I agree with everything mentioned in those eight pages.Q: Okay. Do you now recall having given some notes to Dr. Humes after the autopsy?A: I don't recall now. This refreshes my memory after more than - 0 years.Q: Sure. Again, the questions that I am interested in now go to your recollection of having taken notes and how you might have filed or organized those notes. Do you have any better recollection now as to whether you did compile notes near the time of the autopsy of President Kennedy?A: I recognize now what I have written then.Q: Well, once again, Dr. Finck, I'm not asking you to remember any details from the autopsy. My questions now are simply to the question of whether you took notes during the autopsy and whether you collected notes subsequentto the autopsy?A: I don't know how to answer that question.Q: Could you please look at pages through of Exhibit and, again, I am not going to be asking you any detailed questions related to the contents of the document, but I am just going to ask you whether you have previously seen the document or documents before, on pages through.MR. GUNN: We will go off the record.[Discussion off the record.]MR. GUNN: Back on the record.BY MR.GUNN:Q: Dr. Finck, have you had an opportunity to look at the remaining pages of Exhibit ?A: I have.Q: And do you recognize those documents?A: I do.Q: Is that your signature that appears on pages and of the documents?A: -Q: The last two pages of the document.A: , that's my signature, yes. And that's my signature, yes.Q: Did you write those documents?A: I wrote those documents, but I don't recognize a sentence handwritten, this is not my handwriting on page , the lines crossed out and someone wrote by hand. I don't recognize my handwriting here.Q: Let me read those lines to you that are handwritten."One officer who outranked me told me that my request was only of academic interest. The same officer did not agree to state in the autopsy report that the autopsy was incomplete, as I had suggested to indicate."Do you now recall whether those are your words, even though that is not your handwriting?A: That could be my words. I don't recognize my handwriting. I don't know what happened."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is news if Finck in fact didn't write these somewhat notorious words himself.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Mr. Ken Murray:Ken - Thank You for your excellent additional pieces of information, as always.I was totally unfamiliar with the Pierre Fink material. I am sure that I am not the only one who benefitted from this.Ken - What's your opinion on this whole subject matter ?Respectfully,BB.