WILLEM JAN DANKBAAR AND THE PANCAKE HOUSE:

[Bruce P. Brychek]

Monday
11.10.2025
8:31 p.m.,
Chicago, Illinois tie:

Dear Forum and Global Members and Readers:

Willem Jan Dankbaar originally Posted this about the Pancake House where Jimmy Files went with
Johnny "Handsome Johnny" Roselli to meet Jack Ruby.

This has never been countermanded.

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Pancake house, interesting email
Post by dankbaar » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:43 pm

James Files and Dallas/Fort Worth James Files and Dallas/Fort Worth

Greetings:My name is David. I have lived in the Dallas area most of my life; I was born in 1954, and was nine when JFK was assassinated.As a youth, like most Americans, I just accepted that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin. Then around 1988 I started looking into the event more closely. I started reading many books, and got every documentary I could, and even before I saw Oliver Stone's "JFK" I knew that the Warren Report was full of crap.The video on James Files, which I got around ten years ago, really got my attention. At first, I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth, then the second time I watched it, I was struck by something he said. He said that (as I recall) he, Johnny Rosselli and Jack Ruby met the night before the assassination at "a pancake house in Fort Worth, off of Interstate Highway 30." My jaw dropped when I heard that, as I had practically grown up in Fort Worth, frequently visiting relatives there, and was very familiar with the "Old South Pancake House" off of 30 (University and 30) as Files said. He said that they had sat at a lunch counter (like a bar where they serve alcohol).Two to three years ago, I was in Fort Worth, and ate at that restaurant. I noticed that there was no lunch counter, but my impression of the interior was that it had been remodeled since 1963. I noticed that the hostess of the restaurant was fairly old, and I wondered to myself if she had been there in 1963. On the way out, I struck up a conversation with her and found out that she had worked there starting shortly after 1963. I asked her if there had ever been a lunch counter there. She said no, but that there was a sister restaurant just down the highway then, another Old South Pancake House (at Interstate 30 and Camp Bowie Boulevard), which did have a lunch counter in 1963. That restaurant is no longer there.How did Files know about this place if he had not been here? He had too many details about a real place where they met.I have some other tangential connections to the assassination, dealing with my late father, which I'll discuss with you next time.You can email me at xxxxxxxxx, if you wish to.Yours,David.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Bob » Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:32 pm

Very cool email Wim. Jimmy's story seems to get STRONGER, not weaker as time goes on, no matter what the lone nut club tries to say.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by dankbaar » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:30 pm

Actually it was no sister restaurant, it was just the old place. They moved to a new place in the sixties (I believe it was 1967). The old place had a counter with barstools. I went through the same routine with the current owners. I had a pancake there. Marvelous. Wim



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Phil Dragoo » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:07 am

http://www.olsouthpancakehouse.com/Many references to original owners Benson & Brazgold and the change over the years in various reviews online.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Bob » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:59 am

Phil Dragoo wrote:http://www.olsouthpancakehouse.com/Many references to original owners Benson & Brazgold and the change over the years in various reviews online.I normally don't eat a lot at breakfast, if at all. Damn if I didn't eat a LOT after seeing that menu. There's a place in northern Wisconsin called Paul Bunyan's that is legendary for eating breakfast. I was there last summer, and I felt like I needed to climb in a wheel barrow to get to the car. It's an ALL you can eat place if you dare.I don't know if you ever saw the classic movie The Great Outdoors , but it's a parody of northern Wisconsin. The restaurant scene where John Candy ate the ole 96er was based on Paul Bunyan's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQnGddNdXkY



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by kenmurray » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:13 pm

Bob wrote:Phil Dragoo wrote:http://www.olsouthpancakehouse.com/Many references to original owners Benson & Brazgold and the change over the years in various reviews online.I normally don't eat a lot at breakfast, if at all. Damn if I didn't eat a LOT after seeing that menu. There's a place in northern Wisconsin called Paul Bunyan's that is legendary for eating breakfast. I was there last summer, and I felt like I needed to climb in a wheel barrow to get to the car. It's an ALL you can eat place if you dare.I don't know if you ever saw the classic movie The Great Outdoors , but it's a parody of northern Wisconsin. The restaurant scene where John Candy ate the ole 96er was based on Paul Bunyan's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQnGddNdXkYCool stuff there Bob. I only been to Wisconsin once.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Pennyworth » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:34 pm

If anyone wants to wish Dallas Dan a Happy Birthday, I have provided a space.... I was going to put this under the 'PENNYWORTHLESS" thread but it has been locked...We can get together here and pretend were are at the Pancake House cyber fantasy style http://www.attention-to-details.com/new ... 2a.jpgLook.... jsnow915 has arrived.... http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blo ... e.jpglooks like saracarter766 showed up... http://www.caltechgirlsworld.mu.nu/arch ... 0slice.gif



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Pennyworth » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:30 pm

Pennyworth wrote:If anyone wants to wish Dallas Dan a Happy Birthday, I have provided a space.... I was going to put this under the 'PENNYWORTHLESS" thread but it has been locked...We can get together here and pretend we are at the Pancake House cyber fantasy style http://www.attention-to-details.com/new ... 2a.jpgLook.... jsnow915 has arrived.... http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blo ... e.jpglooks like saracarter766 showed up... http://www.caltechgirlsworld.mu.nu/arch ... ce.gifWell it looks like nobody showed up yet A card just came in.... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IbrZGYJ3X4Y/S ... as_boy.jpg



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Pennyworth » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:46 pm

Here's one for Dan on his birthday..... http://www.dixiesmiles.com/houston_400x400.jpg



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Dealey Joe » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:49 pm

Bob were you ever in Millwakee there was a German restaurant there called Maders?A wesome! Someone told me it finally closed down a couple years ago.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Bob » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:15 pm

Dealey Joe wrote:Bob were you ever in Millwakeethere was a German restaurant there called Maders?Awesome! Someone told me it finally closed down a couple years ago. Milwaukee is actually my hometown. I've been to Maders many times. It's in downtown Milwaukee. Great food. It's still open. There was a place that was closer to where I grew up on the northwest side of Beertown called the Bavarian Wurst Haus that did close down though. The Wurst Haus was sort of a poor man's Maders, plus not as busy. But if you are going to downtown Milwaukee for whatever reason, like a basketball game at the Bradley Center, Maders is a great place to go before the game. Plus, a good buddy of mine owns one of the more popular sports bar's in Brewtown near Maders as well.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Dealey Joe » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:27 pm

Years ago I was in Millwakee and tkkk a tour of the Schlitz brewery, went to a Braves? game and to Maders.had a great time. that was a beautiful little ball park.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Bob » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:10 pm


Dealey Joe wrote:Years ago I was in Millwakee and tkkk a tour of the Schlitz brewery, went to a Braves? game and to Maders.had a great time. that was a beautiful little ball park.That had to be quite a few years ago Joe. Schlitz closed down their brewery many years ago. So did Pabst. Miller has the only brewery left in Brewtown now. Ironically, in the 60's, Schlitz was the number one beer in Milwaukee and was right up there with Budweiser nationally. Then Schlitz changed their recipe. Beer drinkers figured that out right away. Sales fell off dramatically and Schlitz closed down its brewery after awhile and I believe Schlitz was purchased by Strohs then. Pabst became the number one beer in Milwaukee for awhile, and it was the beer I grew up on. Then, after Miller gave us Miller Lite, the sales shifted towards Miller, and Pabst ended up closing its brewery as well. Pabst's long obsolete brewery complex in Milwaukee has been targeted to be developed into restaurants, entertainment venues, stores, housing and offices. A buddy of mine is one of the lead developers in that project. I don't know if you knew this, but years ago, brewery workers were allowed to drink on the job during breaks. Yes...I am not kidding. One of my best friends used to work at Miller during the summer while we were in college. He worked 2nd shift. He used to meet us at a great rib place called Saz's (very close to Miller) that also had a nice bar on Friday nights around 11:00. Sometimes Jim would have a better buzz than we did when we would hook up, and we had been out for a couple of hours. Only in Beertown. The stadium you are referring to was County Stadium. I probably saw well over 100 baseball games at the park, and also a few Green Bay Packers games as well, before the Packers decided to play all their games at Lambeau Field. The new ballpark is now Miller Park, and is one of the best new ballparks in MLB. The Brewers have drawn more than 3,000,000 fans the past two years in one of the smallest markets in MLB. Miller Park has a retractable roof that can be closed if inclimate weather is in the forecast. That means that people from all over Wisconsin or the midwest know that a game will be played no matter what if they travel 100 miles or more to go to a game. By the way, the Braves drew big crowds as well, especially in the 50's. Milwaukee was the first city EVER to draw over 2,000,000 fans in MLB when the Braves were in town.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Dealey Joe » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:28 pm

Bob I think the year was 1965.the brewery had a tap room called the Brown Bottle. said they were the first to use a brown bottle?I will never forget the old man putting the Hops in the big copper tanks. he must have been 90 years oldand the two guys in a stainless steel room wearing boots and raingear with hammers pounding the bungs in the kegs.that was a messy job, beer spraying everywhere. I knew a coupple guys who would have worked there for nothing.yep been a long time but so has the assassination.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by kenmurray » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:56 pm

Bob, didn't Schlitz Brewery brew a beer in the 70's called Erlanger? I seem to recall having a few of those back then. All this beer talk is making me thirsty.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by Bob » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:55 pm

kenmurray wrote:Bob, didn't Schlitz Brewery brew a beer in the 70's called Erlanger? I seem to recall having a few of those back then. All this beer talk is making me thirsty. I think Erlanger came out after Schlitz was purchased by Strohs. The premium beers I used to have then were Andecker (Pabst) and Lowenbrau (Miller).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oUBaCyXWNk



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by andries » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:37 am

I,ve been reading a lot off stuff recently from the the dark side and yes,it,s quit a battle, there are no republicans and democrates ,but conspriters and lone nutters.it hurts and it is frustrating to see they are still on the winning ?? side eversince 1963I disagree with almost everything, and than they want you to get into big trouble asapmany insults sometimes.S0 i had to be quit unfriendly to, some off them dont like that,but i love it.300 million suckers fooled by eight buffoons ,don,t take it personaly over here !no evidence- no evidence-no evidence.that,s the magic word for them they seem to have answers and explanations from another galaxywith complex investigations mathematics and tests they are rejecting all off the conspiracy areaseven the clearest indications are being turned the opposite and onlogical sideand we are sometimes sadly going allong with them, by not focusing that mutch anymore on first hand important witneses,they have alway,s been a mutch more pain in the neck and harder issue to reject than all complex formules and assumings.the little pufe of smoke and direction off the shots sam holland and co workers obseved is off course hard to reject,he had to be killed by a musket it reads, I answered INDEED ! to realise the trajectery off the magic bullet you need a crosbow or an old french musket everybody knows that highpowered riffels produced some sixty or seventy years ago made a little pufs of haze witch could be verry well visseble in this particulair possision under the treesThis man and his co workers are more interesting than many other things http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soqwKWDqRsg



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Post by Dealey Joe » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:14 am

Andriies, I think about the problem of "Nutter" vs "Consipracy"I have come to the conclusion that to be a conspiracy thereorasist you have to be Hardheaded, sincere, thoughtful,sceptical, willing to educate, sharing, excitable, truthful, compromising, shorttime your family, bore your friends,and the list goes on.To be nutter you don't have to do anything, nothing to prove, get together for beer and coctails,say Yep I agree, and in some cases just collect your money and when you become boored make a bullshit documentary.



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Re: Pancake house, interesting email
Post by andries » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:47 am

Indeed JoeJust like vincento adamello brenta bugliosi not interested in the real matter off the assassionation and the real researchBut only very interested and determent to proove in a disneylike attempt that the WC was right