ITALIAN ARMY TESTS OF THE MANNLICHER CARCANO:
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2026 9:32 pm
Sunday
03.29.2026
4:32 p.m.,
Chicago, Illinois time;
Dear Global Forum Members and Readers:
11.04.2010 - Kjell Roald, a brilliant JFK and Related Subject Matters Researcher and Global Member
Originally Posted this Important Headline and Powerful Supporting Information.
What do we think today after 16 more years of articles, books, interviews, research and writings ?
thoughts...
best...
bb.
Italian Army tests
Post by kjell roald » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1c9TALVYk
Italian Army tests
Post by Bob Fox » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:38 pm
Interesting vid Kjell. Besides the the issues with the Mannlicher Carcano, the lone nut club tries to hide from
the fact that a Mauser rifle was also found in the TSBD. They say it was just a honest mistake. Yeah right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j ... re=related
Italian Army tests
Post by kenmurray » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:06 pm
Seymour Weitzman says he just "glanced" at the rifle at first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4l9Sczs9aI
Weitzman later that day signs an affidavit saying that it was a German Mauser. Boone Mooney and Roger Craig
said the same thing. Even Henry Wade on Friday night said it was a Mauser. Bob, it was an "honest" mistake by
all of them. Von Pein thinks so.
Oh, my mistake--it was a Daisy BB gun
Post by Phil Dragoo » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:30 am
Dan Rather. Dan Rather was fired by CBS. Dan Rather was fired by CBS News for forging a 1972 memo to smear
George Bush. Well, hey, we all can relate to you being a lying sack of crap, Dan—I made a memo that looked
just like yours and it wasn't on a 1972 typewriter—it was on my MS Word using default settings. Okay, so Weitzman
and Boone and Craig saw 7.65 Mauser stamped on the barrel.Then Weitzman, with the beaten-puppy look all over
his sick-puke face and his purple-egg eye bags says whine whine I was sadly mistaken. And Craig, with honor, as a
man should have, was hounded and shot at and finally murdered. We know the alleged murder weapon had a
defective scope mount that required two shims before it could be tested. Had a defective bolt action that was
incompatible with accuracy. That there were originally only TWO shells found. That there were no prints until
they went to the morgue and got Oswald's. That he tested negative on the cheek paraffin test.And that Gil
Jesus has ten reasons why it was never Oswald's weapon.
http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboar ... 4&page=
And of course the backyard photos are more crap—and Robert provided the camera, and Marina provided the
ever-changing story, and DeMohrenschildt got his two cents in before they blew his head off same day as Charles
Nicoletti's.
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/01 ... 27.html
And of course Carlos Hathcock told Craig Roberts that he, Hathcock, couldn't make the shots attributed to Oswald
—and he had 93 confirmed kills in Nam and hundreds of unconfirmed, taught police SWAT teams—the best of the
best, couldn't do what Arlen Specter said Oswald did. Of course they never found where Oswald bought his magic
bullets or where he practiced and only Ruth Paine knew about the blanket which no one saw holding a rifle and
which had no gun oil from the oiled rifle. But with magic things, reality must take a back seat. Weitzman found
out what Stringer told Gunn at the ARRB, “Those that object don't last very long.”
Italian Army tests
Post by Barney » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:52 am
In viewing the YouTube video of the Italian police or military tests of the 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano carbine with
scope, the shooter/testers howed how the weapon cycled and worked, that it was made difficult by the offset
scope mount and scope and slowed the cycling of rounds into the chamber. He stated that the rifle was suppose
to cycle 10 shells per minute minus the scope and mount, but that tests showed that with same, it took
approximately 10th of minute to cycle, aim, and fire with accuracy, this weapon so set up.
Italian Army tests
Post by Barney » Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:28 pm
For those who care to read Reasonable Doubt by Henry Hurt, pub. in 1985, he says that Easterling stated that Manuel
stated that the Mannlicher Carcano was a throw down weapon and would not be fired at Kennedy at all, it was just
to set up the patsy, LHO. The real weapon was a Czech semi-auto rifle, 7.62 andfinely crafted. Manuel Rivera told
Easterling they had the situation covered in Dealey Plaza, the expected route of Kennedy. They had made a large box
like as a hipping crate with a false bottom. Inside the false bottom, would be a rifle rest and the Czech semi auto rifle
on the floor where the shooting would take place. It was so common looking they felt that they could just leave in a
bldg. for a short while extract it later without causing any untoward notice or interference.
Italian Army tests
Post by kjell roald » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:01 pm
I'm having a discussion with a debunker on another forum, about the test they did on the magic bullet. He argues that
it is the impact with the back stop - which seems to be a bullet-proof vest - that deforms the bullet. Not passing through
the meat. And, it looks like he's right : "Lt. Col. Riso : “As we can see, after having gone through the targets of meat,
the bullet’s jacket was ‘impacted’ and when it was recovered, it was flat and notably deformed. When the bullet exited
the meat, it had enough speed to cause this deformity. The magic bullet could not have hit two men and remain intact
as it states in the (Warren Comission) report.”
"http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/ ... tudy-etc
So now I don't really know what to make of this experiment. It doesn´t seem to tell me anything useful at all.
Oh, my mistake--it was a Daisy BB gun
Post by Michael Dell » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:17 pm
Phil Dragoo wrote: Dan Rather was fired by CBS News for forging a 1972 memo to smear George Bush.Regarding
Dan Rather: To me, it appears he was an establishment/CIA puppet from Day 1. His lying about what he saw in
the Zapruder Film proves it. Then when it seemed his career was about over, his pals turned on him and fed him
the fake Killian memo in 2004. He ran with the story because they gave it to him, not suspecting they were setting
him up. Then he takes the fall, Bush gets a PR bump, Democrats get a black eye, and all future criticism of Bush's
military record gets thrown into doubt. And all it cost was one veteran newsman's career. As an asset, he was all
used up anyway. The only question is was Rather a willing or ignorant patsy? Considering the state of American
journalism, I'm inclined to say ignorant.
Oh, my mistake--it was a Daisy BB gun
Post by Bob Fox » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:26 am
Michael Dell wrote: Phil Dragoo wrote: Dan Rather was fired by CBS News for forging a 1972 memo to smear George
Bush. Regarding Dan Rather: To me, it appears he was an establishment/CIA puppet from Day 1. His lying about what
he saw in the Zapruder Film proves it. Then when it seemed his career was about over, his pals turned on him and fed
him the fake Killian memo in 2004. He ran with the story because they gave it to him, not suspecting they were setting
him up. Then he takes the fall, Bush gets a PR bump, Democrats get a black eye, and all future criticism of Bush's military
record gets thrown into doubt. And all it cost was one veteran newsman's career. As an asset, he was all used up anyway.
The only question is was Rather a willing or ignorant patsy? Considering the state of American journalism, I'm inclined
to say ignorant. Interesting analysis Michael. I think you are right as well. The CIA did the same thing to Richard Nixon.
Set him up for the fall. But at least Tricky Dick was ambushed by a scandal as opposed to a hail of bullets like JFK was.
Italian Army tests
Post by Barney » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:00 am
In the course of numerous meetings and conversations between Rivera and Easterling, Rivera told the latter that he first
met LHO in Czech., where Rivera was contracting for the construction of the semi-auto rifle to be used in the Kennedy
murder. This occurred during that short period of time when LHO went missing in Europe,. He was not in the Netherlands,
or in the Soviet Union accd. to DOD, FBI, and CIA informants.
ITALIAN ARMY REPORTS OF THE MANNLICHER CARCANO
Post by Bruce P. Brychek » Sat Jan 24, 2026 5:50 pm
Saturday
01.24.2026
5:50p.m.,
Chicago, Illinois time:
Dear Forum Members and Readers:
11.04.2010 - Kjell Roald Originally Posted this Informative, Invaluable video
of the Italian Army Report and Testing of the Mannlicher Carcano.
This by far is the Absolute Best Live Test of the Mannlicher Carcano that I
have ever seen.
An interesting discussion followed by some of our most brilliant Global
Researchers and Writers.
7:51 long.
thoughts...
best...
bb.
ITALIAN ARMY TESTS OF THE MANNLICHER CARCANO - bb - 1:
From: bpbrychek@yahoo.com
To: Bruce Brychek
Sat, Jan 24 at 5:43 PM
https://youtu.be/gh1c9TALVYk?si=rtR9u6icrzlXZn1w
03.29.2026
4:32 p.m.,
Chicago, Illinois time;
Dear Global Forum Members and Readers:
11.04.2010 - Kjell Roald, a brilliant JFK and Related Subject Matters Researcher and Global Member
Originally Posted this Important Headline and Powerful Supporting Information.
What do we think today after 16 more years of articles, books, interviews, research and writings ?
thoughts...
best...
bb.
Italian Army tests
Post by kjell roald » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1c9TALVYk
Italian Army tests
Post by Bob Fox » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:38 pm
Interesting vid Kjell. Besides the the issues with the Mannlicher Carcano, the lone nut club tries to hide from
the fact that a Mauser rifle was also found in the TSBD. They say it was just a honest mistake. Yeah right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j ... re=related
Italian Army tests
Post by kenmurray » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:06 pm
Seymour Weitzman says he just "glanced" at the rifle at first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4l9Sczs9aI
Weitzman later that day signs an affidavit saying that it was a German Mauser. Boone Mooney and Roger Craig
said the same thing. Even Henry Wade on Friday night said it was a Mauser. Bob, it was an "honest" mistake by
all of them. Von Pein thinks so.
Oh, my mistake--it was a Daisy BB gun
Post by Phil Dragoo » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:30 am
Dan Rather. Dan Rather was fired by CBS. Dan Rather was fired by CBS News for forging a 1972 memo to smear
George Bush. Well, hey, we all can relate to you being a lying sack of crap, Dan—I made a memo that looked
just like yours and it wasn't on a 1972 typewriter—it was on my MS Word using default settings. Okay, so Weitzman
and Boone and Craig saw 7.65 Mauser stamped on the barrel.Then Weitzman, with the beaten-puppy look all over
his sick-puke face and his purple-egg eye bags says whine whine I was sadly mistaken. And Craig, with honor, as a
man should have, was hounded and shot at and finally murdered. We know the alleged murder weapon had a
defective scope mount that required two shims before it could be tested. Had a defective bolt action that was
incompatible with accuracy. That there were originally only TWO shells found. That there were no prints until
they went to the morgue and got Oswald's. That he tested negative on the cheek paraffin test.And that Gil
Jesus has ten reasons why it was never Oswald's weapon.
http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboar ... 4&page=
And of course the backyard photos are more crap—and Robert provided the camera, and Marina provided the
ever-changing story, and DeMohrenschildt got his two cents in before they blew his head off same day as Charles
Nicoletti's.
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/01 ... 27.html
And of course Carlos Hathcock told Craig Roberts that he, Hathcock, couldn't make the shots attributed to Oswald
—and he had 93 confirmed kills in Nam and hundreds of unconfirmed, taught police SWAT teams—the best of the
best, couldn't do what Arlen Specter said Oswald did. Of course they never found where Oswald bought his magic
bullets or where he practiced and only Ruth Paine knew about the blanket which no one saw holding a rifle and
which had no gun oil from the oiled rifle. But with magic things, reality must take a back seat. Weitzman found
out what Stringer told Gunn at the ARRB, “Those that object don't last very long.”
Italian Army tests
Post by Barney » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:52 am
In viewing the YouTube video of the Italian police or military tests of the 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano carbine with
scope, the shooter/testers howed how the weapon cycled and worked, that it was made difficult by the offset
scope mount and scope and slowed the cycling of rounds into the chamber. He stated that the rifle was suppose
to cycle 10 shells per minute minus the scope and mount, but that tests showed that with same, it took
approximately 10th of minute to cycle, aim, and fire with accuracy, this weapon so set up.
Italian Army tests
Post by Barney » Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:28 pm
For those who care to read Reasonable Doubt by Henry Hurt, pub. in 1985, he says that Easterling stated that Manuel
stated that the Mannlicher Carcano was a throw down weapon and would not be fired at Kennedy at all, it was just
to set up the patsy, LHO. The real weapon was a Czech semi-auto rifle, 7.62 andfinely crafted. Manuel Rivera told
Easterling they had the situation covered in Dealey Plaza, the expected route of Kennedy. They had made a large box
like as a hipping crate with a false bottom. Inside the false bottom, would be a rifle rest and the Czech semi auto rifle
on the floor where the shooting would take place. It was so common looking they felt that they could just leave in a
bldg. for a short while extract it later without causing any untoward notice or interference.
Italian Army tests
Post by kjell roald » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:01 pm
I'm having a discussion with a debunker on another forum, about the test they did on the magic bullet. He argues that
it is the impact with the back stop - which seems to be a bullet-proof vest - that deforms the bullet. Not passing through
the meat. And, it looks like he's right : "Lt. Col. Riso : “As we can see, after having gone through the targets of meat,
the bullet’s jacket was ‘impacted’ and when it was recovered, it was flat and notably deformed. When the bullet exited
the meat, it had enough speed to cause this deformity. The magic bullet could not have hit two men and remain intact
as it states in the (Warren Comission) report.”
"http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/ ... tudy-etc
So now I don't really know what to make of this experiment. It doesn´t seem to tell me anything useful at all.
Oh, my mistake--it was a Daisy BB gun
Post by Michael Dell » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:17 pm
Phil Dragoo wrote: Dan Rather was fired by CBS News for forging a 1972 memo to smear George Bush.Regarding
Dan Rather: To me, it appears he was an establishment/CIA puppet from Day 1. His lying about what he saw in
the Zapruder Film proves it. Then when it seemed his career was about over, his pals turned on him and fed him
the fake Killian memo in 2004. He ran with the story because they gave it to him, not suspecting they were setting
him up. Then he takes the fall, Bush gets a PR bump, Democrats get a black eye, and all future criticism of Bush's
military record gets thrown into doubt. And all it cost was one veteran newsman's career. As an asset, he was all
used up anyway. The only question is was Rather a willing or ignorant patsy? Considering the state of American
journalism, I'm inclined to say ignorant.
Oh, my mistake--it was a Daisy BB gun
Post by Bob Fox » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:26 am
Michael Dell wrote: Phil Dragoo wrote: Dan Rather was fired by CBS News for forging a 1972 memo to smear George
Bush. Regarding Dan Rather: To me, it appears he was an establishment/CIA puppet from Day 1. His lying about what
he saw in the Zapruder Film proves it. Then when it seemed his career was about over, his pals turned on him and fed
him the fake Killian memo in 2004. He ran with the story because they gave it to him, not suspecting they were setting
him up. Then he takes the fall, Bush gets a PR bump, Democrats get a black eye, and all future criticism of Bush's military
record gets thrown into doubt. And all it cost was one veteran newsman's career. As an asset, he was all used up anyway.
The only question is was Rather a willing or ignorant patsy? Considering the state of American journalism, I'm inclined
to say ignorant. Interesting analysis Michael. I think you are right as well. The CIA did the same thing to Richard Nixon.
Set him up for the fall. But at least Tricky Dick was ambushed by a scandal as opposed to a hail of bullets like JFK was.
Italian Army tests
Post by Barney » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:00 am
In the course of numerous meetings and conversations between Rivera and Easterling, Rivera told the latter that he first
met LHO in Czech., where Rivera was contracting for the construction of the semi-auto rifle to be used in the Kennedy
murder. This occurred during that short period of time when LHO went missing in Europe,. He was not in the Netherlands,
or in the Soviet Union accd. to DOD, FBI, and CIA informants.
ITALIAN ARMY REPORTS OF THE MANNLICHER CARCANO
Post by Bruce P. Brychek » Sat Jan 24, 2026 5:50 pm
Saturday
01.24.2026
5:50p.m.,
Chicago, Illinois time:
Dear Forum Members and Readers:
11.04.2010 - Kjell Roald Originally Posted this Informative, Invaluable video
of the Italian Army Report and Testing of the Mannlicher Carcano.
This by far is the Absolute Best Live Test of the Mannlicher Carcano that I
have ever seen.
An interesting discussion followed by some of our most brilliant Global
Researchers and Writers.
7:51 long.
thoughts...
best...
bb.
ITALIAN ARMY TESTS OF THE MANNLICHER CARCANO - bb - 1:
From: bpbrychek@yahoo.com
To: Bruce Brychek
Sat, Jan 24 at 5:43 PM
https://youtu.be/gh1c9TALVYk?si=rtR9u6icrzlXZn1w