How to convince a non-believer

[ThomZajac]

Great post, Bob.Also note the bullet hole in the shirt. Good thing Jerry Ford realized it was in the wrong place.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

bob franklin wrote:"Back & to the left."That pretty much sums it up.

[ThomZajac]

There's an attorney friend of mine who's a lone nutter, and I have done the dance with him long enough to know how he counters much of the evidence of an conspiracy.So, as graphic and suggestive as the shirt photo is, here is what I strongly suspect he'd day..."The blood pattern proves nothing because we don't know precisely when the blood stain was made; it very likely was made as Kennedy lay prone on the way to Parkland hospital."As much as I hate to say it, the shirt is not conclusive proof of a shot entering from the front; it is supporting evidence of a shot entering from the front. Strong and numerous supporting evidence can take the place of there being a piece of conclusive evidence, and so it is very important indeed. By itself, however, the blood-stained shirt does not prove the point, in my opinion.

[ThomZajac]

The shirt does prove, however, that Jerry Ford was lying through his teeth when he moved up the back wound five inches in the pursuit of being "more precise."

[ChristophMessner]

It was a freemason's place with a freemason's statue on it, looking like pyramid on draft. The president was catholic and refused to follow the freemason's agenda. David Rockefeller let himself photo portrait in a typical freemason's posture. Kennedy was shot on it's way to the top of the pyramid. The shot from the front came from a higher layer of the hidden pyramid of power, if you look to the draft. This pyramid thing is not only humbug, Washington, City of London, Karlsruhe, Vatican, ... all are built with pyramid symbolism, you see that looking on the map. Egyptian and babylonian mythologies are the roots of the three monotheistic world religions. Don't tell the freemason conspirators. A conspirator is only who goes consciously against the truth.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

ThomZajac wrote:There's an attorney friend of mine who's a lone nutter, and I have done the dance with him long enough to know how he counters much of the evidence of an conspiracy.So, as graphic and suggestive as the shirt photo is, here is what I strongly suspect he'd day..."The blood pattern proves nothing because we don't know precisely when the blood stain was made; it very likely was made as Kennedy lay prone on the way to Parkland hospital."As much as I hate to say it, the shirt is not conclusive proof of a shot entering from the front; it is supporting evidence of a shot entering from the front. Strong and numerous supporting evidence can take the place of there being a piece of conclusive evidence, and so it is very important indeed. By itself, however, the blood-stained shirt does not prove the point, in my opinion.No offense to your attorney friend, but just because he's an attorney doesn't mean he has overcome that reflex that a lot of people have to just believe what they are told. Law school is just a trade school, like learning how to be a mechanic. In law school they teach you how to argue a point of view on a case. They also teach you the law, and then depending on what kind of law you specialize in, you become an "expert" in that field of law. None of this experience makes a person any more common-sense smart. I met with an attorney last week who asked me why on earth I'd be reading a book on 9/11 called "Debunking 9/11 Debunking." In any event, he argued the plane impact/jet fuel idea with me, until I told him two things. That a third building, WTC 7, pancaked in 6.5 seconds and that the two main towers pancaked in just about 10 seconds and that this is free-fall speed. I also pointed out that WTC 7 was never hit by a plane. He had nothing to say.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

ThomZajac wrote:The shirt does prove, however, that Jerry Ford was lying through his teeth when he moved up the back wound five inches in the pursuit of being "more precise."That shirt shows more than just the location of the bullet hole (which matches the location of the same bullet hole in the jacket).Look at the blood stain. The majority of it is on the LEFT side, and the stain shows that the source of that blood came from ABOVE the shoulder. It's a lot of blood, and particularly on the LEFT shoulder. I can't see how all that blood got concentrated on the left side of the shirt, flowing down, if the back of JFK's head wasn't blasted out. Also, regarding the location of the bullet hole in the shirt that matches the location of the bullet hole in the jacket, the ONLY thing that anybody could argue was that the jacket and shirt were BOTH riding up or bunched up. That argument gets completely thwarted if you just look at pictures of JFK riding in the car before the shots. His jacket is not bunched up at all.

[ChristophMessner]

Well, Pasquale, I think, JFK's jacket was bunched up a little and I think, theoretically it might have been possible that if the shooter was pretty low, let's say 2nd or 3rd floor DalTex, then this back entrance hole might lead towards the throat wound location. But I don't think Conally was hit before Z224 already, because he just started his turnaround then and was completely without sign of any push from behind or wrist-smash till much later. The naming of that alleged single bullet "magic" tells it all. There is no magic and Arlen Specter used this word in full conscious of that what the power elite on top of the pyramid of power decides or suffers has to be made look like magic, so that the dumb people will follow. We live now in an age, in which this "dumb" people awake and the old pyramidal totalitarian hierarchic leadership concepts start to crash and the "leaders" of today can't help and desparately invent more and more abstruse theories to rescue their privileges. But on the other hand I can understand that to a billionaire it must really look magic how all these "dumb serfs" let exploit themselves to make him a billionaire! Or to the pope it must look like magic, that once he raises his hands at the window, a million people applaude, just because they still need this kind of projection figure of maximum importantness to keep their belief. Also to James Files, it must look like magic to him, how easy it is to kill a president or to tell stories people want to hear. Chrishttp://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2007/06/dealey-plaza-esoteric-freemasonic.html

[bob franklin]

That shirt shows more than just the location of the bullet hole (which matches the location of the same bullet hole in the jacket).Look at the blood stain. The majority of it is on the LEFT side, and the stain shows that the source of that blood came from ABOVE the shoulder. It's a lot of blood, and particularly on the LEFT shoulder. I can't see how all that blood got concentrated on the left side of the shirt, flowing down, if the back of JFK's head wasn't blasted out.Also, regarding the location of the bullet hole in the shirt that matches the location of the bullet hole in the jacket, the ONLY thing that anybody could argue was that the jacket and shirt were BOTH riding up or bunched up. That argument gets completely thwarted if you just look at pictures of JFK riding in the car before the shots. His jacket is not bunched up at all. Yup. also remember the LN rallying phrase "slumped forward". As you noted, blood doesn't flow upward. There goes that "laying prone" argument Thom's lawyer friend might use. LN'ers are bound by the official version of events. JFK was either slumped forward or lying prone. They can't have it both ways.

[Bob]

The funny thing about the lone nut crowd is that they believe stuff that to most observers is virtually impossible. The conspiracy theorist crowd is based on much more fact than conjecture. Yet, the MSM plays up to the LN crap. Why? Because they cuddle up in bed with each other, and then leave their money on the night stand just like in another "profession".