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The MSM always tries to portray the Bush family as a patriotic family. After all, Dumbya Bu$h was a "war time" President and Poppy Bu$h was a WWII "hero". Oh really?Let's go back in history to Prescott Bu$h first. His father Samuel sold arms to the Germans while the U.S. was in WWI. Read this about what Samuel did and how Prescott tried to portray himself as a medal winner in WWI...http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htmOf course, it was proven that Prescott was no hero. Just a liar. Then we have Poppy being a war "hero" in WWII. Really? Read this...http://www.tarpley.net/bush6.htmListen to this from that chapter...The only person who has ever claimed to have seen Bush's plane get hit, and to have seen it hit the water, is Chester Mierzejewksi, who was the rear turret gunner in the aircraft flown by Squadron Commander Douglas Melvin. During 1987-88, Mierzejewksi became increasingly indignant as he watched Bush repeat his canonical account of how he was shot down. Shortly before the Republican National Convention in 1988, Mierzekewski, by then a 68 year old retired aircraft foreman living in Cheshire, Connecticut, decided to tell his story to Allan Wolper and Al Ellenberg of the New York Post, which printed it as a copyrighted article. "That guy is not telling the truth," Mierzejewski said of Bush. As the rear-looking turret gunner on Commander Melvin's plane, Mierzejewski had the most advantageous position for observing the events in question here. Since Melvin's plane flew directly ahead of Bush's, he had a direct and unobstructed view of what was happening aft of his own plane. When the New York Post reporters asked former Lt. Legare Hole, the executive officer of Bush's squadron, about who might have best observed the last minutes of the Barbara II, Hole replied: "The turret gunner in Melvin's plane would have had a good view. If the plane was on fire, there is a very good chance he would be able to see that. The pilot can't see everything that the gunner can, and he'd miss an awful lot, " Hole told the New York Post. Gunner Lawrence Mueller of Milwaukee, another former member of Bush's squadron who flew on the Chichi Jima mission, when asked who would have had the best view, replied: "The turret gunner of Melvin's plane." Mierzejewksi for his part said that his plane was flying about 100 feet ahead of Bush's plane during the incident - so close that he could see into Bush's cockpit. Mierzejewki, who is also a recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross, told the New York Post that he saw "a puff of smoke" come out of Bush's plane and quickly dissipate. He asserted that after that there was no more smoke visible, that Bush's "plane was never on fire" and that "no smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out." Mierzejewski stated that only one man ever got out of the Barbara II, and that was Bush himself. "I was hoping I would see some other parachutes. I never did. I saw the plane go down. I knew the guys were still in it. It was a helpless feeling." Mierzejewski has long been troubled by the notion that Bush's decision to parachute from his damaged aircraft might have cost the lives of Radioman second class John Delaney, a close friend of Mierzejewksy, as well as gunner Lt. Junior Grade William White. 'I think [Bush] could have saved those lives, if they were alive. I don't know that they were, but at least they had a chance if he had attempted a water landing,'" Mierzejewski told the New York Post. Guess who owns the New York Post now? Rupert Murdoch. The same guy that owns Fox News.But overall, the MSM still portrays Poppy as a war hero.Then we have Dumbya. As the Vietnam war was in full rage, Poppy was able to use his connections to get Dumbya a position in the Texas Air National Guard, where Dumbay could fly over the coast of Texas, but stay far away from the coast of Nam. But even that wasn't good enough for Dumbya. He went AWOL for over a year, and then when he returned to his unit, Dumbya refused to take a medical exam which got him suspended. I wonder why Dumbya refused the exam??? Can you say COCAINE boys and girls?Bottom line, the Bu$h family is FAR from patriotic or heroic. They are in fact, the EXACT opposite with their treasonous behavior. Examples are Samuel's activities in WWI, Prescott's attempted coup of FDR and then his investing and profiting of the Hitler war machine in WWII, Poppy's involvement in the JFK assassination, Iran/Contra and other activities and then of course the last 8 years of Dumbya, with the MANY questions and doubts about 9/11, the MOUNTAIN of lies about the Iraq war, torture, illegal wiretapping, the worst economic meltdown since the great depression and all of the other unconstitutional activity.JFK tried to change the direction of the world while he was President. But people like the Bu$h family had to remove him because of the threats he was to their interests. Interests like the CIA, war profiteering (Vietnam) big banking and big oil. Oh, by the way, JFK was a REAL war hero...On August 2, 1943, Kennedy's boat, the PT-109, was taking part in a nighttime patrol near New Georgia in the Solomon Islands. It was rammed by the Japanese destroyer Amagiri. Kennedy was thrown across the deck, injuring his already-troubled back. Nonetheless, he swam, towing a wounded man, to an island and later to a second island where his crew was subsequently rescued. For these actions, Kennedy received the Navy and Marine Corps Medal under the following citation:For extremely heroic conduct as Commanding Officer of Motor Torpedo Boat 109 following the collision and sinking of that vessel in the Pacific War Theater on August 1–2, 1943. Unmindful of personal danger, Lieutenant (then Lieutenant, Junior Grade) Kennedy unhesitatingly braved the difficulties and hazards of darkness to direct rescue operations, swimming many hours to secure aid and food after he had succeeded in getting his crew ashore. His outstanding courage, endurance and leadership contributed to the saving of several lives and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.Kennedy's other decorations in World War II included the Purple Heart, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal and the World War II Victory Medal. He was honorably discharged in early 1945, just a few months before Japan surrendered. The incident was popularized when he became president and would be the subject of several magazine articles, books, comic books, TV specials and a feature length movie, making the PT-109 one of the most famous U.S. Navy ships of the war. Scale models and even G.I. Joe figures based on the incident were still being produced in the 2000s. The coconut which was used to scrawl a rescue message given to Solomon Islander scouts who found him was kept on his presidential desk and is still at the John F. Kennedy Library.Pretty ironic huh?

I have read all this already before, but it is very noteworthy information. On the other hand I would not agree to paint the Bushes all black and the Kennedys all white. In the WWI and WWII times supporting nationalistic parties against the "red danger" from east was seen as honorable. And delivering weapons to the enemy? What, if you are convinced that the US has chosen the wrong allies? If you had known that ally Britain stood for a worse kind of imperialism than Germany? If you would have known, that the Holocaust and foundation of Israel was stirred from Britain and the West Jews, too? I mean, the real history was far more comlicated than just black and white and the Bushes just believed in the old school of authoritarianism. And with JFK one could investigate, why he let his ship being rammed by a Japanese at all ... Well, I prefer Kennedy anyway, because he looked out for a change to the better, but at least you have to be fair and say that Prescott sent his son to war at all. Lies and idolization of heroism of "leaders" were done by alomst all leaders in the "good" old times.

I would agree with everything you are saying Chris. But, remember that Joseph Kennedy (Ambassador to Great Britain) was an isolationist when it came to the U.S. entering WWII. No matter his views, both Joe Jr. and Jack still went into the service and fought. Joe Jr. was killed in a very risky mission when he plane blew up before he had a chance to bail out. Very ironic, when you think about Poppy bailing out, and leaving his crewmates to die, at least according to the best witness. But Poppy, like Prescott in WWI, ran with the lie that he was a hero, and that persona lasts to this very day. JFK was a REAL hero, as were so many that fought in that war...for ALL sides. Soldiers, sailors and pilots just follow orders from the big brass. The big brass gets their orders from the leaders of that particular country. The men that fought in that war could not control the orders they received...they just carried them out. Bottom line, I am just saying that there is a pattern here with the Bu$h family...for four generations now. They are projected as patriotic and heroic, and yet that are exactly opposite of that description if one REALLY studies the family. The Kennedy family is far from perfect either, as there have been some awful decisions from time to time starting with Joe Sr. And although the Kennedy family is very rich, just like the Bu$h family, they have tried to make life better for ALL people, especially the poor and needy. Again, the Bu$h family is the polar opposite, they only cater to the rich and powerful. The Bu$h family uses the MSM to hide their family blemishes and to help portray the family as "patriotic" and "heroic". Remember, Prescott Bu$h was one of the founders of CBS. One of Prescott's best friends was Allen Dulles, who ran the CIA for many years before JFK fired him. The CIA had a program called Operation Mockingbird in which operatives were placed in news organizations to convey the thinking of the CIA and to slant the news to their liking. Those operatives also hid news that might implicate powerful people like Prescott Bu$h.

Bob, you are right. I should not be so superficial in an exaggerated way of fairness-endeavor. Black is black and white is white. What I wanted to say before was: hey, Bush is not only black, but dark grey and some poisonous poppy green, Kennedy is not only white, but light grey and some rainbow colors. But that's not quite correct, if Bush Sr. really left his plane, sending his comrades to death intentionally to save his skin, whereas Kennedy risked his skin to save his comrades, then that is really a black and white difference and no dark grey and light grey. Bush's acting should be a no-entrance-for-leadership-anymore-badge in general, a complete disqualifing criteria for the political arena. It's all about where to draw lines. When families strive for power by any means, then they have crossed the line. My guess is that the Bushes believed it is legitimate to drive this fakery towards the public, because the public does not understand how to fight dictatorships in the East, and therefore it would be legitimate to outdo the dark covert operations of the East with even darker covert operations by the West, but the error of the Bushes is that they want to chase the Devil by the Beelzebub. The sad thing is not so much, that single persons sell their souls for getting the power, but that so many people are playing the same game with them and that it is possible at all that the people do not reckognize these lies. Again it's the wishful thinking of the people, the apathay and wish to not believe: "No, there are still good intentions in this man, in our leader, he can't be all rotten bad!" In any country, where former chiefs of the secret services can become president, there is something wrong completely, and a lot of political reeducation is necessary. Chris

Speaking of "bravery", it still amazes me that the rabid, war mongering right still hitches it's wagons to another blowhard Republican, who got out of serving in Nam, but talks like he was a purple heart winner. I am talking about Rush Limbaugh. You know, the guy who got out of serving in Nam because of a cyst on his ass. I am not kidding. This is the VOICE of the rabid right. Plus, you had Darth Cheney and his 5 deferments to get out of serving in Nam, and also AWOL Dumbya snorting and drinking his way away for over a year from the Texas Air National Guard that Poppy arranged for him to join. These have been the key voices for the right over that last 8 years or so. At least John McCain served his country, plus spent several years as a POW. I may disagree with his rhetoric, but he does have a track record in the military, although there are some that can find holes in his "actual" record as well. But Limbaugh, Cheney and Bu$h never did a damn thing for the U.S. in terms of military service, yet they are the loudest talkers of sending men and women off to war. All of them went out of their way to get out of serving their country and going to war. HYPOCRITES and COWARDS.

Bob wrote:Speaking of "bravery", it still amazes me that the rabid, war mongering right still hitches it's wagons to another blowhard Republican, who got out of serving in Nam, but talks like he was a purple heart winner. I am talking about Rush Limbaugh. You know, the guy who got out of serving in Nam because of a cyst on his ass. I am not kidding. This is the VOICE of the rabid right. Plus, you had Darth Cheney and his 5 deferments to get out of serving in Nam, and also AWOL Dumbya snorting and drinking his way away for over a year from the Texas Air National Guard that Poppy arranged for him to join. These have been the key voices for the right over that last 8 years or so. At least John McCain served his country, plus spent several years as a POW. I may disagree with his rhetoric, but he does have a track record in the military, although there are some that can find holes in his "actual" record as well. But Limbaugh, Cheney and Bu$h never did a damn thing for the U.S. in terms of military service, yet they are the loudest talkers of sending men and women off to war. All of them went out of their way to get out of serving their country and going to war. HYPOCRITES and COWARDS. Cyst on his ass, eh? That's too funny. Actually, some people get them a lot, and they are NOT a legit reason to get out of the draft. I've had cysts like that. Think of them as very deep in-grown hairs or very deep clogged pores that get infected like a pimple. That's all they are. Sounds gross, but that's all they are. They're not tumors or debilitating medical conditions. If they're large, you get a dermatologist to remove them. What a coward Rush Limbaugh is. He probably got some help from his doctor because all those cysts are a skin issue. What really irritates me about him is the way he was trying to appear so powerful and all at CPAC over the weekend, and to think that he avoided the draft like that while advocating sending other people to fight. He's an ass! Wait. I think I just gave TOO MUCH INFORMATION (TMI) about my past cyst issues!!! LOL

Pasquale DiFabrizio wrote:Bob wrote: I think I just gave TOO MUCH INFORMATION (TMI) about my past cyst issues!!! LOL I guess so, it was a bit much ... But if we interpolate it to politics: is the proper mean to remove a political cyst the cutting off by force or is there a soft treatment?

Pasquale DiFabrizio wrote:Bob wrote:Speaking of "bravery", it still amazes me that the rabid, war mongering right still hitches it's wagons to another blowhard Republican, who got out of serving in Nam, but talks like he was a purple heart winner. I am talking about Rush Limbaugh. You know, the guy who got out of serving in Nam because of a cyst on his ass. I am not kidding. This is the VOICE of the rabid right. Plus, you had Darth Cheney and his 5 deferments to get out of serving in Nam, and also AWOL Dumbya snorting and drinking his way away for over a year from the Texas Air National Guard that Poppy arranged for him to join. These have been the key voices for the right over that last 8 years or so. At least John McCain served his country, plus spent several years as a POW. I may disagree with his rhetoric, but he does have a track record in the military, although there are some that can find holes in his "actual" record as well. But Limbaugh, Cheney and Bu$h never did a damn thing for the U.S. in terms of military service, yet they are the loudest talkers of sending men and women off to war. All of them went out of their way to get out of serving their country and going to war. HYPOCRITES and COWARDS. Cyst on his ass, eh? That's too funny. Actually, some people get them a lot, and they are NOT a legit reason to get out of the draft. I've had cysts like that. Think of them as very deep in-grown hairs or very deep clogged pores that get infected like a pimple. That's all they are. Sounds gross, but that's all they are. They're not tumors or debilitating medical conditions. If they're large, you get a dermatologist to remove them. What a coward Rush Limbaugh is. He probably got some help from his doctor because all those cysts are a skin issue. What really irritates me about him is the way he was trying to appear so powerful and all at CPAC over the weekend, and to think that he avoided the draft like that while advocating sending other people to fight. He's an ass! Wait. I think I just gave TOO MUCH INFORMATION (TMI) about my past cyst issues!!! LOL I am going to use an unknown codicil in the forum rules to respond to your post Pasquale...You must cease and de-cyst.

Bob wrote:I am going to use an unknown codicil in the forum rules to respond to your post Pasquale...You must cease and de-cyst. HA HA HA HA HA!!!Cease and de-cyst!!!!! Too funny!!!!!

Found the De-Cyst-Party and march to DC!