The Hat

[ThomZajac]

Kirk asks- "Is Files the shooter or the spotter?I think this is a very reasonable question. There is something about Files' account which strongly indicates that he is not telling everything. Perhaps he is just not 'giving up' the spotter, or perhaps he was the spotter and he has embellished his tale. Or perhaps it was neither of those. Impossible to know, isn't it?

[Bob]

Kirk wrote:Thanks Bob for thisWhat do you think?Bob wrote:Please see this...http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/figure.htmI think it definitely could be Files. It's right where he said he went after the shooting. I also think the guy on the left sitting on the curb is Orlando Bosch. He had a walkie talkie as well.

[Kirk]

Yes that sums up the confusion correctly. I believe that Files was in Dealey on the day, but where exactly and doing what exactly I am not sure. Hell, maybe he wasn't either.This is conjecture on my part only without any evidence. Mister X is the shooter. Files is the spotter. Files was sent to take care of Oswald because Oswald was comfortable with Files. Just conjecture though... to add I am not trying to make it worse, and I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.ThomZajac wrote:Kirk asks- "Is Files the shooter or the spotter?I think this is a very reasonable question. There is something about Files' account which strongly indicates that he is not telling everything. Perhaps he is just not 'giving up' the spotter, or perhaps he was the spotter and he has embellished his tale. Or perhaps it was neither of those. Impossible to know, isn't it?

[Kirk]

Files behind the fence? Correct? If there is a figure/shooter behind the fence, is he wearing a hat maybe? I never thought about Bosch much until I came to this forum. He was just a name that kept be repeated over the years. I will try to read more on it. I do think it is odd all the different people at time and place together and in 1963.Bob wrote:Kirk wrote:Thanks Bob for thisWhat do you think?Bob wrote:Please see this...http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/figure.htmI think it definitely could be Files. It's right where he said he went after the shooting. I also think the guy on the left sitting on the curb is Orlando Bosch. He had a walkie talkie as well.

[Kirk]

Bob, Thanks again on this. I finally bothered to learn what the Bosch name means. For some reason I never put his face with the Curb guy, and never looked at the picture to see that the latin guy was wearing glasses, and probably a hat. I did know a little about the bombing stuff, but never bothered to put two and two togetherBob wrote:Please see this...http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/figure.htm[/quote]I think it definitely could be Files. It's right where he said he went after the shooting. I also think the guy on the left sitting on the curb is Orlando Bosch. He had a walkie talkie as well.[/quote][/quote]

[ChristophMessner]

Excerpt from James Files' 2003 confession interview with Wim Dankbaar and Jim Marrs (Pamela Ray was excluded): ... W - Well, there is this eyewitness report of the guy in the railroad tower, Lee Bowers.JF - Well, he might have been in the tower, but I'm talking about people on the ground walking up by me or passing me.W - No, but he's describing two persons behind the fence. One of them fits the description of you.JF - Mmm, well, maybe he has figured two people when he see me change my jacket and walk away somebody different, I don't know. But I was alone and there was nobody with me.J - All right, so as you walk away and these two guys cover for you, describe your actions then.JF - Oh, as I'm walking away, I 've got my briefcase, guncase, in my right hand, I've got my left hand over by my coat pocket, I've got a 45 there, I've got it fully loaded with 6 rounds in it, it's ready to go if I need it .J - You have already reversed your jacket?JF - I've already reversed my jacket. When I picked up the guncase, I reversed my jacket, no plaid side, I 've got the poplin grey material on the outside, I took the fedora hat under the sleeve of it, snapped it out and put it back on my head and I walked away, carrying the briefcase and my 45 inside my coat pocket.W - How long did it take to do all this?JF - Just a few seconds. It don't take long.... ONe of the Bothun photos. The man on the right above in the background is wearing a hat. It's about 40 seconds after the shots rang out. There is also the testimony of witness Mr. Price, who told Mark Lane on camera from the roof of the house where he was sitting on 11/22/63 watching the motorcade and walking away a man from behind the fence to behind the pergola towards the TSBD with a hat or something in his hand.

[Kirk]

Thanks ChrisWell he could have meant that he took his hat off while he was turning his jacket and then put it back on maybe.

[Dealey Joe]

When did Lansdale come into Jimmy's story?I don't think he was mentioned at first?

[Bob]

Dealey Joe wrote:When did Lansdale come into Jimmy's story?I don't think he was mentioned at first?DJ...please see this...Now it's assuumed by many experts that David Atlee Phillips and General Edward Lansdale were the brains behind the JFK asassination. Again, here is what Pasquale had posted from the book Interview with History: The JFK Assassination written by "Pamela J. Ray with James E. Files"I saw Kennedy’s head explode. At that moment, I knew he was dead. I knew that no one could survive that hit. I removed the shell casing, placed it in my mouth bit the casing and placed it on the fence, laid the Fireball back in the case, closed it and walked away. As I walked away from the fence, I saw the cop drop the motorcycle on its side and run up the hill with another cop close by. They were stopped by two men wearing suites and showing some kind of ID’s. I was preparing to pull my Colt .45 from under my jacket and shoot them when they were stopped. I just kept right on walking like I was going back to work from my lunch break.2006 update: Edward G. Lansdale talked to James Files when he was behind the picket fence up on the grassy knoll waiting for JFK’s motorcade to arrive. Files said Lansdale asked if everyone was in place and Files said Nicoletti and Roselli were in the Dal-Tex building and he was only supposed to fire if the target, JFK, was not hit. He did not talk about other “teams” but only what immediately concerned him. Earlier in the call, Files mentioned that the “CIA person” had a radio with him and was considered the “grounds controller on station” for the CIA that day. Files was reluctant to tell me Lansdale’s name on the phone when he mentioned that there were different size footprints behind the fence imprinted in the mud. I guessed Lansdale’s name Files didn’t want to say and he quickly changed the subject. I was a little slow in getting his hint and when he yelled in the phone one more time I understood to shut up already. You won’t read that information anywhere else…especially in an FBI report. (Commenting on recent material in 2006 I sent him for review)JF: Hey a lot of this stuff refreshes my memories. A lot of it makes me think of things – it brings up names and stuff. PR: That’s why I sent it to you, but if I send too much or stuff you don’t want, just trash it.JF: There is one thing I was a little concerned about…PR: What?JF: Okay, like I told ya before, my interview I always told the truth, I just didn’t tell all of it. PR: I know.JF: Now then. When I pulled the trigger on Kennedy, behind the stockade fence, I was alone. Now prior to that, I did have a visitor. Before the motorcade ever got within reach. PR: Who?JF: Huh?PR: Who? JF: I don’t think we should, I don’t think we should use the name or not, I’m debating on that. I don’t know if I should tell ya the name or not. But see there were two sets of footprints…all the footprints back there? PR: Um-hmJF: Some were overlapping the other ones which meant the party had to have been there while I was there at the same time, cause we were walking back and forth, we were overlapping each other’s footsteps, when we were turning, you know what I mean? PR: Um-hmJF: And they know they were made by two different sets of shoes. PR: Would I know the name if you said it? JF: Oh yes! (Pause) strictly CIA…and it was not David Phillips. This guy was grounds coordinator. He was coordinator for operations. (Cough) But Like I say, I don’t know if we want to put his name in there or not…we might raise trouble with a lawsuit…I don’t want to put you in danger from putting it out there…that’s one of the things I’m in turmoil with right now. PR: When you wrote to me about two different shoe sizes, I thought maybe you wore two different shoe sizes that day…JF: No, no, no, no…PR: …just to confuse people.JF: No, no, no, no, no…I wasn’t that smart back then.PR: I thought maybe you did something like that.JF: No. The other party wanted to know if everything was in place – team was ready – we was gonna do our thing – he wanted to know where everybody was, you know, about the guys I was with, he was referring to like Chuck and Johnny. PR: Right.JF: So… (pause) well like I say, we can bring this up but I don’t know if we’re gonna put his name in there or not.PR: Before you said “The CIA wasn’t involved as much…” and now you’re saying they were…JF: They was involv…I tried to keep the CIA out of it…I tried to keep them happy as possible, and it’s just not gonna work ‘cause everybody knows they were involved so why cover it?PR: Right.JF: But the whole thing was this, I did what I felt was right the first time around, but like I say, when I pulled the trigger, I was alone. And as far I was concerned, there was nobody involved but Chuck, Johnny Roselli and me. And that was it. But there’s powers beyond, they didn’t pull the trigger but they were powers that were working. PR: Did you talk to Ed Lansdale that day?(Silence)PR: Jimmy? Hello…JF: I’m sorry. We’re breaking up…I couldn’t hear you on that one. PR: I said, “Did you ta…”JF: I know, I know, I said I’m breaking up. PR: Honey did you…JF: How are you doin’? How ya feelin’? PR: Me?JF: Yeah. PR: Pretty good. JF: Good. (Laugh)PR: I was gonna ask you if…JF: I know you was.PR: Oh okay. Yeah. I feel great. JF: Ya gotta remember…if I say we’re breakin’ up, we’re breakin’ up. You get off of it. (Laugh)PR: Honey I’m not used to your codes as much as I should be…JF: I know. PR: ‘cause I don’t really talk like that. Sorry.JF: Anyway though, we’ll worry about all that stuff later.

[Dealey Joe]

Bob how do we reconcile the fact that there was supposed to be a CIA standdown.can we explain how the CIA Lansdale would be helping Jimmy at that point?I just can't get a clear logical thought on it.my thoughts have been that the CIA was out of it and theMafia was left to do the job on their own. "F**k em it's going down anyway"is there any way to explain this?do we have evedence that Lansdale also wanted the job done enough to go against the CIA directive?aslo wonder why the CIA was backing down? Tosh said he was there to make sure no one fired.