Doug Horne on BOR

[ThomZajac]

I'm already a big fan of Horne and believe he is on the money. Here's something though that I find particularly interesting and am dying to learn more about-"It must have been earlier in the day, after Oswald was captured but before Air Force One landed at Andrews, when it was strategically decided not to follow the original Castro Commie cover-story, and go with the lone-nut scenario, a specific decision that precluded an assassin from the front and required the altering of wounds at Bethesda and all other evidence of a second gunman, including the Z-film. It is from this attempt to disavow the existence of a shooter from the front, that the other lies had to be created, including the Lone-Nut lie to replace the Cuban Commie Rat cover-story that was supposed to have led to an invasion of Cuba, and the Z-film alteration that failed to uphold the first lie."It has always seemed to me that that the perfect assassination plan-from the plotters perspective- would have resulted in an invasion of Cuba, but I have found very little evidence over the years to support the notion that this was the plan, a plan that would work with setting up Oswald as well. What occurred or didn't occur that made the planners go for the lone nut scenario- if indeed the Cuban invasion plan had been on the table?One thing I have 'heard' is that the plan called for Oswald to get on a plane at Redbird Airport and then have that plane head for Cuba, either landing there or getting shot down en route. But that story has always been particularly hazy. Could it be that Oswald balked at that? Can't wait to learn more.Thom

[kenmurray]

Thom, the plan to invade Cuba story is being pushed by Waldron and Hartmann in their book "Legacy of Secrecy". The plan for a full scale invasion of Cuba on Dec 1st 1963. I don't believe their theory for a second. Here is a review of the book by William Davy:http://www.ctka.net/reviews/waldron_updated.html

[ThomZajac]

kenmurray wrote:Thom, the plan to invade Cuba story is being pushed by Waldron and Hartmann in their book "Legacy of Secrecy". The plan for a full scale invasion of Cuba on Dec 1st 1963. I don't believe their theory for a second. Here is a review of the book by William Davy:http://www.ctka.net/reviews/waldron_updated.htmlThank Ken. I'm not referring (I don't think) to the Waldron/Hartman hook-line-and-sinker acceptance of the insider cover story that the invasion plan was to occur while JFK was still alive). I'm talking about a plan that blames the JFK assassination on Cuba/Castro and becomes the grounds for an invasion. I'm wondering if there was such a plan why the decision was made not to follow through.

[ThomZajac]

Okay, I've been thinking about this and here is my guess-IF there was indeed a plan to use the assassination as a pretext to invade Cuba, the development which ultimately led to the aborting of that aspect of the plan was Oswald being apprehended alive. With a dead Oswald, they could paint him as part of a Castro plot to assassinate JFK, but with him alive that would be much harder to do, and so it was decided to paint him as a lone nut instead (before killing him asap, of couse).Just a guess.

[Bob]

Here is a summation of Doug Horne on BOR last Thursday...Show #452Original airdate: Dec 10th, 2009Guests: Douglas Horne Topic: Inside The ARRB Play Part One Interview - Doug Horne Doug's book Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government's... ...Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK His blog site is Inside The ARRB Doug was a member of the ARRB for it's last 3 of 4 years How he came to work for the ARRB Doug's military background helped to get him the position From the age of 14 he followed the critic's view of the Warren Commission Doug opposed the ARRB's view that the Warren Commission got it right The actual agenda of the ARRB...It was not to re-investigate the JFK assassination The HSCA left many unsatisfactory conclusions. The ARRB tried to clear many up There is undeniable evidence of a medical cover-up in the JFK assassination Many autopsy photos and x-rays have been destroyed As many as 18 different views no longer exist in the evidence collection Doug lists off many photos proven to have been taken but no longer exist The Optical Densitometry work done by Dr Mantic on the head x-rays Mantic is a radio oncologist and has a PhD in Physics... A very credible researcher Horne's view on what G Robert Blakey's agenda was The primary difference between David Lifton's opinion and Doug's A similar description of the head wounds as related by three witness physicians Mortician, Tom Robinson saw the autopsy including the post-mortem surgery before the autopsy Witnesses prove the cranium was sawn open and not blown open like the official story states The scalp is held in place by many hands to obscure the hole in the back of the head Two former FBI agent witnesses gave evidence the head was altered for the pictures The alteration pictures still exist and the traditional autopsy photos have been removed The autopsy report on record now is the third draft of that document Humes burned one copy and another copy went missing during a transfer of materials from RFK A third draft cannot be relied upon as evidence especially given the history surrounding it JFK's brain and it's preservation treatment called "profusion" Play Part Two Interview - Doug Horne There were two brain examinations a week apart The images of Kennedy's sectioned brain do not exist in the archives The images that do exist are not the images taken by Dr Fink The archived images show a primarily intact brain. The witnesses stated otherwise Boswell stated that the top and right side and right rear of the skull were missing Doug calls the Boswell diagram a "con job" 3 pieces of skull found after the assassination and all are now missing The Harper Fragment... Evidence of a rear exit wound...And a shot from the front Questioning the authenticity of the Zapruder Film and a bit of it's history Why Doug now believes the Z film is not authentic Analyzing the film for authenticity The Sixth Floor Museum now has the Zapruder Film A few points attest to an authentic film but there are problems The intrasprocket images extend too far on the archived film The test shots do not show the penetration of intra-sprocket images the Z film does The inference is that the original was reprinted on the archive film and was not original Proof is provided by the contact copies not showing the intra-sprocket images Doug could not get a test film made using the Z camera to prove or disprove penetration He recently found out that this test is the very first thing that should have been done Chain of custody questions... Strange negotiations by Life Magazine The CIA's NPIC photo center created two briefing boards by two separate crews The second film was a 16mm film, not the 8mm slit film The 16mm film was a sanitized copy of the Zapruder film The study of the Z film by the Hollywood team shows alteration of JFK's head The fakery was terrible and very easy to spot and seven experts attest to the alteration Conclusion: The Z Film constitutes irrefutable evidence of a US government cover-up Just one more fraud in the JFK assassination saga... virtually every piece of evidence shows fraud Doug thanks Rex Bradford for all of his help in helping create the book

[kenmurray]

Well, it seems Vince Palamara has come back to his senses, thanks to Doug Horne's book. Check this out at the education forum:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... =0&start=0

[Bob]

kenmurray wrote:Well, it seems Vince Palamara has come back to his senses, thanks to Doug Horne's book. Check this out at the education forum:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... start=0Wow. Does this mean that Larry "The Fable Guy" Dunkel (Gary Mack), John McLonenut and Vince Bulshitosi will see the light as well? Nah. The money is too good on the dark side.

[SeamusCoogan]

Bob wrote:Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Bob:Outstanding Post. You have been here long enough to remember the criticism that Jimmy and I endured years ago, some still here on the JFK Forum, about Jimmy's belief that JFK'S throat wound was an exit wound from his Mercury Filled Hollow Point, Custom made by Wolfman back in Chicago, Illinois, prior to Jimmy's trip to Dallas, Texas. This Specially Altered Bullet was fired from a weapon that virtually nobody heard of, and very, very little was, and is known about, even today. Remember the negative discussions about how the Remington Fireball XP - 100 kicks like a mule. I have three (3) Fireballs, all from 1962 and 1963 manufacture. I can state unequivocally that Fireballs do not have a major kick. The only modification that I would make would be to design them with 6- 8 capacity magazines.Hell, Wim even disagreed with both Jimmy and me in his first edition of Files On JFK. Note wherein Wim attacks us for speculation. Wim then correctly develops his Research, Study, Thinking, and Writing, wherein he changes his position in his second edition, Files On JFK.Bob, notice how Jimmy remained stedfast in his analysis, and subsequent factual revelations have come full circle to what Jimmy stated.Remember, Jimmy was a Master Assassin, a Highly Experienced Sniper, had done many, many head shots in Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, South America, North America, and other places. Charles Nicoletti chose Jimmy for many reasons that may never come out.Tremendously powerful Post, Bob. Excellent, and Thank You for all the obvious reasons.Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.My pleasure Bruce! As you say, Jimmy has always been steadfast in his analysis of the headshot, and the damage that the mercury round could incur on someone.Did you here about Jim getting a copy and there not being an index in it for him to check. Shit. Hornes gonna need that index. What barstads they did the same thing to Prouty.

[Bob]

SeamusCoogan wrote:Bob wrote:Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Bob:Outstanding Post. You have been here long enough to remember the criticism that Jimmy and I endured years ago, some still here on the JFK Forum, about Jimmy's belief that JFK'S throat wound was an exit wound from his Mercury Filled Hollow Point, Custom made by Wolfman back in Chicago, Illinois, prior to Jimmy's trip to Dallas, Texas. This Specially Altered Bullet was fired from a weapon that virtually nobody heard of, and very, very little was, and is known about, even today. Remember the negative discussions about how the Remington Fireball XP - 100 kicks like a mule. I have three (3) Fireballs, all from 1962 and 1963 manufacture. I can state unequivocally that Fireballs do not have a major kick. The only modification that I would make would be to design them with 6- 8 capacity magazines.Hell, Wim even disagreed with both Jimmy and me in his first edition of Files On JFK. Note wherein Wim attacks us for speculation. Wim then correctly develops his Research, Study, Thinking, and Writing, wherein he changes his position in his second edition, Files On JFK.Bob, notice how Jimmy remained stedfast in his analysis, and subsequent factual revelations have come full circle to what Jimmy stated.Remember, Jimmy was a Master Assassin, a Highly Experienced Sniper, had done many, many head shots in Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, South America, North America, and other places. Charles Nicoletti chose Jimmy for many reasons that may never come out.Tremendously powerful Post, Bob. Excellent, and Thank You for all the obvious reasons.Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.My pleasure Bruce! As you say, Jimmy has always been steadfast in his analysis of the headshot, and the damage that the mercury round could incur on someone.Did you here about Jim getting a copy and there not being an index in it for him to check. Shit. Hornes gonna need that index. What barstads they did the same thing to Prouty.Please elaborate Seamus. Actually, I just heard JIm D. on BOR and I now understand what you wrote. Yes...an index is essential.

[kenmurray]

Here is Doug Horne being interviewed on "The Real Deal" by James Fetzer on Jan. 13th:http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/01 ... t-iii.html