Doug Horne on BOR

[Phil Dragoo]

Ken, the interview on Black Op Radio part one is great.DiEugenio will likely review Horne in five parts. I am finding Vol IV continually fascinating. RFK ordered the casket disposed at sea in 1966 by the future CNO. Brains, slides, etc. may have been inside, now 1,300 feet below the surface of the Atlantic.Hanks not bothered that Bugliosi gave no background on one of the three most important men on the Commission, McCloy, who helped Klaus Barbie escape French extradition, Barbie who had strung victims up on hooks to torture them, who took 41 Jewish children aged 3-13 from an orphanage to be transported to their deaths in Eastern camps, Barbie who escaped to South America to become a drug lord--Tom Hanks complicit in the rehabilitation of one of the most despicable figures of American history--what a service he has done, like the bacteria in septic tanks. Thomas Tank.

[Dealey Joe]

Correct me if I am wrong but I think Jim De. said he does not think the person buriedin Ft. Worth is LHO because of the mastoid scar?Read this:My Interview With Dr. Vincent J.M. Di MaioBy W. Tracy Parnell ã 2001 Dr. Vincent Di Maio This is a report on my recent interview with one of the members of the team led by Dr. Linda Norton that examined and identified the remains of Lee Harvey Oswald on October 4, 1981 at Baylor Medical Center in Dallas. When I contacted Dr. Vincent Di Maio and explained some of the concerns that critics of the Norton Report have, he agreed to answer my questions. For those unfamiliar with issues regarding the exhumation, the primary concerns of critics center around the craniotomy performed at Oswald’s 1963 autopsy and a mastoid operation he underwent as a child.When I asked about his qualifications, Dr. Di Maio sent me his 13-page Curriculum Vitae with information on his extensive work in the forensic field. I believe that a concise discussion of Dr. Di Maio’s credentials is in order. Dr. Di Maio attended St. John’s University as well as the State University of New York. His postgraduate training included stints at Duke University, SUNY, and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of Maryland. Dr. Di Maio, who is a veteran of the Army Medical Corps, is board certified in Forensic, Clinical, and Anatomical Pathology. He is currently Chief Medical Examiner of Bexar County (San Antonio) Texas as well as a Professor of the Department of Pathology at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. Other positions held by the doctor include Editor in Chief of the Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology and a membership on the Strategic Planning Committee of the National Association of Medical Examiners. Dr. Di Maio is the author or co-author of four books and 75 articles concerning forensics and related matters. He has won several awards for his work including the Outstanding Service Award from the National Association of Medical Examiners in October 1999. Regarding Dr. Di Maio’s responses to my questions, I found him to be frank and forthcoming. Of course, twenty years had passed since the examination and in some instances Dr. Di Maio could not recall specifics. For example, he admitted that he did not remember how long Mortician Paul Groody (who worked with Oswald’s body in 1963 and again at the exhumation) was in the examination room. However, he agreed with Groody on one point. Groody said the skullcap often separates in the case of an exhumed corpse. Dr. Di Maio concurred but offered this comment, “The skull cap was just “glued” to the base of the skull by decomposing tissue ... tissue in this instance was acting like a glue.” So Groody was correct in his assertion that the cap often separates. Often-but not always as Dr. Di Maio’s statement shows. Dr. Di Maio did not agree with Groody on certain key issues concerning the skull. According to at least one report of his observations, Groody allegedly said that the skull was not connected to the body when the casket was initially opened. Dr. Di Maio disputes this, saying, “... it was attached as it had to be cut free.” On the issue of whether or not the body was removed from the casket before or during the exam, his comment was, “ No, just the head.” Then I asked Doctor Di Maio about possibly the most contentious issue-that of the craniotomy. He was unequivocal in his reply; “The head had been autopsied.” was his simple answer. In order to try and resolve the issue of where the craniotomy incision was located, I emailed Dr. Di Maio two photographs. One is a composite graphic (link shows closeup of left profile view) showing the right and left profile views of Oswald’s skull provided by researcher Jack White in a post at JFK Research Internet Forum. On the photo, White had marked two areas. The first, highlighted by a purple arrow, was a line that I believed to be the craniotomy incision. The second area was the mastoid defect and was highlighted by a red circle. Dr. Di Maio confirmed that the line indicated by the purple arrow was indeed the craniotomy cut. Additionally, I asked him if there was anything unusual about the mastoid defect and he stated there was not. The second photo I sent Dr. Di Maio is taken from the original Oswald autopsy in 1963 and shows the back of the head. In order to address a common claim made by critics, I asked Dr. Di Maio if the mastoid scar should be visible. “An old scar is often faint and hard to see”, he replied. “It would in all probability be covered with hair.” Another issue of importance to critics is the contention that no one at the examination recorded the craniotomy incision. This issue has roots in a conversation between Dr. Norton and journalist Jim Marrs. When Marrs asked Dr. Norton about the craniotomy, she was reportedly startled and said, “We noted it for the record”. But according to the observations of John Cullins, who viewed a videotape of the examination, Norton never verbally noted the cut. Dr. Di Maio provided a possible answer when he stated, “Notes were taken but any I had are long gone.” Of course, it is extremely unlikely that the doctors made no written record to refer to when writing the report.Finally, another issue that seems to have been resolved by Dr. Di Maio is the matter of the “mysterious delay” of 27 months between the examination and the publication of the report. Critics of the report seem to be especially concerned by this matter and it is often on their list of “hot button” items. I asked Dr. Di Maio about the so-called delay. “The critics are unfamiliar with medical publications,” he related. “It usually takes a year or two from submission to publication. It often takes months to write the article such that everyone is in agreement with the manuscript.”In conclusion, it is my hope that the observations of Dr. Di Maio will do much to resolve at least some of the nagging questions surrounding the exhumation and identification of Lee Harvey Oswald. By virtue of his impressive contributions to forensic science and as one of only four doctors present for the examination, he is uniquely qualified to provide researchers with these answers.Judyth also said the scar was hard to see but you could feel it. She thought maybe he had had it fixed.This is LHO's skull exhumed, The Mastoid defect is circled in redhttp://books.google.com/books?id=zhwxSvie0tAC&pg=PA220&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2ZCPDgXa_x0hrkU86okSUxvT52qA&ci=181%2C584%2C644%2C282&edge=0

[kenmurray]

Joe, John Armstrong believes the "historical" Oswald that was arrested in Dallas was not the real LHO. That's why according to him you don't see that scar around his ear.I'm going to buy his book "Harvey and Lee" like Jim D. suggested at that Last Hurrah Book Store. I want to learn and read more about this subject. And what Judyth said too is interesting. Hey, with your help Joe I will try to do a piece on Dobkins. You been furnishing those pictures of him. I will have more time next week to work more on it. Then I will send a rough draft to Jim D and see what he thinks.Phil, great stuff as usual. I wanna get Hornes's books too.

[Dealey Joe]

I have read enough to tell Armstrong is out in left field.He uses what witnesses say they saw. Everyone in Dallas that day saw Oswald.He was even seen in other states.You can't use everything someone says as being a fact.If you were to do that you would need a dozen or so OswaldsI find Armstrong lacking.

[Dealey Joe]

I asked Judyth:Dear Joe-- It's simple. Itis called plastic surgery. The mastoid scar itself in Lee as a child made a relatively large scar. But as we grow, the skin in the neck and scalp expands a grea deal. The siz of the scar remains child-sized. Then Lee had he loose skin pulled up behind the ear, it took just hree stitches and the scar disappeared. IF YOU FELT THERE WITH YOUR FINGER, YOU COULD FEEL THE DEPRESSION. YOU COULD NOT SEE A THING, THOUGH. NOW, WHEN THEY EXHUMED LEE DUE TO CONCERNS, THOSE CONCERNS WERE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING: 1) LEE DID NOT LOOK 'LIKE' LEE WHEN HE WAS PLACED IN THE COFFIN. ANSWER: THE LIPS WERE SEWED TOO TIGHTLY. LEE HAD LOST A LOT OF BLOOD AND DIED FROM BLOOD LOSS. LEE WENE THROUGH AN AUTOPSY, AND HIS WHOLE SCALP WAS PULLED DOWN. WHEN PULLED BACK UP, OFTEN IT IS PULLED TOO TIGHT. HIS HAPPENED WITH LEE. HIS EYEBROWS ARE PULLED UPWARD ON HIS FACE AND THE PACKING INSIDE THE MOUTH WAS NOT ENOUGH, THE LIPS SEWED TOO TIGHT. THERE ALSO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ENOUGH EMBALMING FLUID, WHICH THE EXHUMATION SUGGESTS IS THE CASE. THE SKULL REMOVED A THE EXHUMATION SHOWS THE MASTOID PROCESS HAD BEEN OPERATED ON. I HAVE EXPLAINED THAT THE SCAR HAD BEEN MADE ALMOST INVISIBLE. THE JOB ON EMBALMING, AND THE AUTOPSY, TOGETHER WITH THE BAD MAKEUP APPLIED TO THE FACE,MADE IT LOOK QUITE DIFFERENT, SOME OF IT DUE TO OVERSTRETCHING THE SKIN. IN SHORT, IT SEEMS LITTLE RESPECT WAS SHOWN TO THE CORPSE, WHICH IS NO SURPRISE. ==FROM THE INTERNET....Make sure the body is laying supine — that is, face up. ... You will need to see the skin for signs that embalming is working. ... If the muscles are tight, they will increase extravascular pressure, diverting embalming fluid shave the face. Making cuts or what a live ... Hence, using the needle as deep to the bone as possible as to not show the skin pulling on the ligature. Embalmed, face bleached by the fluid, eyes glued, mouth sealed chin lifted "Bad work" can mean bungled transportation attempts, poor makeup jobs..." SORRY ABOUT T'S MISSING, I HAVE O HIT THE ''T' WO TIMES O GE IT O REGISER, MY COMPUER IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.. BYE BYE-- J

[Phil Dragoo]

KenAndy Winiarczyk570-321-1150There's a two-part Armstrong synopsis of Harvey and Lee in The Assassinations by Jim Di Eugenio and Lisa Pease.Yates--quite apart from Armstrong--picked up an Oswald lookalike Thursday November 21--the lookalike had a four-and-a-half-foot-long package of curtain rods, and would not stop talking about shooting the president from a tall building--then asked to be let off at the corner of Elm and Houston.Yates reported it to the police and was interrogated twice by the FBI and polygraphed twice by the FBI and when the Feds couldn't shake his story they put him in Oak Lawn the mental hospital, gave him thorazine and forty-two electroshock treatments and eleven years after that ride, he died maintaining his story.That's in Douglass' Unspeakable.

[kenmurray]

Phil Dragoo wrote:KenAndy Winiarczyk570-321-1150There's a two-part Armstrong synopsis of Harvey and Lee in The Assassinations by Jim Di Eugenio and Lisa Pease.Yates--quite apart from Armstrong--picked up an Oswald lookalike Thursday November 21--the lookalike had a four-and-a-half-foot-long package of curtain rods, and would not stop talking about shooting the president from a tall building--then asked to be let off at the corner of Elm and Houston.Yates reported it to the police and was interrogated twice by the FBI and polygraphed twice by the FBI and when the Feds couldn't shake his story they put him in Oak Lawn the mental hospital, gave him thorazine and forty-two electroshock treatments and eleven years after that ride, he died maintaining his story.That's in Douglass' Unspeakable.Phil. your right. I have Douglass' book. One of my favorites!!!