The Two Oswalds ?

[Kirk]

I agree. Craig comes across as just an honest Texan, with no axe's to grind. This didn't and wouldn't help his career in any way, and he knew that, but decided integrity was worth it.Dealey Joe wrote:It seems almost improbable if not impossible.But hell this whole thing is impossible..I trust Roger Crraig's testimony about what he saw more than anyone else I have heardIt is hard to keep in mind about 90% of what people say is made up bullshit.Everyone wants to be part of the action, cab drivers, bus drivers ect.

[Bob]

Remember these words from David Morales of the CIA..."I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard."There is NO doubt that the CIA was involved in the assassinations of both JFK and RFK. Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan were lone nuts according to "authorities" and the MSM. Bullshit. They were both operatives of the CIA. Oswald was an operative that reported to David Atlee Phillips and also was a FBI informant. Sirhan was involved in MK-ULTRA or mind control program of the CIA. But besides being "lone nut's", Oswald and Sirhan also had something else in common. They had doubles that were close to the scene at the time of the murders. I also knew that there were Oswald doubles. There is Billy Lovelady from the TSBD, who was being questioned by the Dallas police after the assassination, and who Oswald passed by in police headquarters. There is the "Oswald" at the shooting range that Michael Calder mentioned. There is the "Oswald" that left the Texas Theater in the back, while the other Oswald was arrested and taken out the front. There is the Harvey and Lee scenario put together by author John Armstrong. But I never knew there were two Sirhans until Michael brought that out in another thread. Michael knows what he is talking about, as he is the author of JFK vs. C.I.A., and is working on another book regarding the RFK assassination. Here is what Michael said in the other thread titled Remembering RFK..."Bob, Yes I'm saying the person who shot RFK is a ringer for Sirhan and is the person Evan Freed saw "pointing a gun" toward RFK. The position Evan Freed puts this man prior to RFK entering the pantry is behind a partition that juts out into the pantry. Precisely where Kenndy was standing when shot. He was waiting for the Senator to be brought to him. Anyone behind the Senator would have identified Sirhan as the shooter and anyone in front of Kennedy would have done likewise. The beauty of having a look a like assassin. Poor Sirhan, in his mkultra personality, knows this other shooter. How sad." Think about this. JFK and RFK are killed within 4 and a half years of each other. David Morales was there for BOTH murders. LHO and Sirhan are classified as "lone nut's". But both men had people that closely resembled them near the murder scene, and in the RFK case, actually was the assassin. This is mind blowing. Both murders were false flag operations, just like 9/11. PURE CIA.

[kenmurray]

Bob, not only Morales was there for both murders but Eugene Brading was too.

[Bob]

Indeed. Brading let Chuck Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli into the Dal-Tex building. It may be Brading along with those two in the infamous photo...but there is also a resemblance to Poppy Bu$h. Bob Franklin has the men in the photo circled. Bob thinks the blue-green circle to be Nicoletti, the yellow one Roselli, & the red one Poppy. I can't argue too much after seeing these photos...Either way, Brading was in Dallas and in L.A., along with Morales. But where was Poppy on June 5th, 1968? We know Poppy was in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963, at least for awhile.

[Kirk]

Wow Bob !! you guys continually amaze me with improved pictures and information that I had no idea even existed. I have seen the Poppy photo before, but just not as close and detailed, and the same goes for Dal Tex.Thanks

[Dealey Joe]

Bob it is hard for me to figure out LHO.I know he was a very inteligent person. A high IQ with a probable lack of common sense.And could be a very compassionate person.Why he was mixed up in the things he was and how it all tied together is hard to figure.He could be smart and articulate but also act dumb as hell "axed me that"?I try to think about him in the context of the late 50'sThings were much different then.a lot of people doing all the assesments were not even around then.Judyth mentions his infatuation with "I Led Three Lives" and when he actually metHerbert Philbrick, who was an actual double spy, he did not like the man.I know as an imperssionable young boy he was exposed to the likes of Ferrie, Shaw and company,Probably had to fend of homosexual advances.That whole thing must have been very attractive to a 50's boy with only a mother who was dating a tie in to the mob.One thing that bothers me some is the need to have doubles when we do not actually understand what is going on.I have no doubt that doubles were used. It is hard to differintiate between facts and bullshit of which there is an ubundance.I also do not understand the need for a double at the Theater?At that particular time the two who were involved were LHO and The Tippiy killer.I have figured out a scenerio for that afternoon and I believe it is fairly accurate.

[Bob]

Thanks Kirk. I think it is plausible for Poppy to be with Nicoletti and Roselli. Poppy was widely unknown at the time and a undercover CIA operative who specialized in recruiting. Recruiting assassins that is...Jim Marrs : During that time, during the time of the Bay of Pigs, while you were training and moving around in the Caribbean, No Name Key and all that, did you ever hear the name George Herbert Walker Bush? James Files: Oh Yeah! Jim Marrs: What was his role? James Files: George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't know if, I think a lot of people are not going to believe this, but he worked for the CIA back as early as 1961 that I know of. Jim Marrs : How did he work? What did he do? James Files : I don't know all he did, but he did a lot of recruiting work. I know he was there at the beginning for what we called Group 40, a special operations group, Group 40. If you wonder what Group 40 was, an assassination group.

[Bob]

Dealey Joe wrote:Bob it is hard for me to figure out LHO.I know he was a very inteligent person. A high IQ with a probable lack of common sense.And could be a very compassionate person.Why he was mixed up in the things he was and how it all tied together is hard to figure.He could be smart and articulate but also act dumb as hell "axed me that"?I try to think about him in the context of the late 50'sThings were much different then.a lot of people doing all the assesments were not even around then.Judyth mentions his infatuation with "I Led Three Lives" and when he actually metHerbert Philbrick, who was an actual double spy, he did not like the man.I know as an imperssionable young boy he was exposed to the likes of Ferrie, Shaw and company,Probably had to fend of homosexual advances.That whole thing must have been very attractive to a 50's boy with only a mother who was dating a tie in to the mob.One thing that bothers me some is the need to have doubles when we do not actually understand what is going on.I have no doubt that doubles were used. It is hard to differintiate between facts and bullshit of which there is an ubundance.I also do not understand the need for a double at the Theater?At that particular time the two who were involved were LHO and The Tippiy killer.I have figured out a scenerio for that afternoon and I believe it is fairly accurate.Alright Joe, let's hear your take.

[Kirk]

I have come to believe the worst of George H. W. Bush is probably closer to the truth. For relative unknown he sure was around enough to get mentioned a lot. I think some of that is his Ego or Alter Ego maybe. He seemed to be connected to everybody through his Dad and his Skull and Bones days.He calls in a report to the FBI about some guy in Houston only a couple hours after the Assassination, and meets with J. Egar Hoover the next day about something else. I do think that is him outside the TSBD. Not sure if he was in the Dal Tex photo, but I bet he would know who was in the buildingBob wrote:Thanks Kirk. I think it is plausible for Poppy to be with Nicoletti and Roselli. Poppy was widely unknown at the time and a undercover CIA operative who specialized in recruiting. Recruiting assassins that is...Jim Marrs : During that time, during the time of the Bay of Pigs, while you were training and moving around in the Caribbean, No Name Key and all that, did you ever hear the name George Herbert Walker Bush? James Files: Oh Yeah! Jim Marrs: What was his role? James Files: George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't know if, I think a lot of people are not going to believe this, but he worked for the CIA back as early as 1961 that I know of. Jim Marrs : How did he work? What did he do? James Files : I don't know all he did, but he did a lot of recruiting work. I know he was there at the beginning for what we called Group 40, a special operations group, Group 40. If you wonder what Group 40 was, an assassination group.

[Dealey Joe]

Bob & KirkROGER CRAIG SAID he was STANDING AT 505 MAIN ST. when the MOTORCADE PASSED AND TURNED ON HOUSTON THEN ELM WHEN HE HEARD A SHOT. HE THEN RAN TO ELM AND DOWN TOWARD PICKET FENCE WHERE HE SAW A COP HEADED. RAN INTO ARNOLD ROLAND. THIS TOOK 6-7 MIN.THEN HE WAS ON SOUTH SIDE OF ELM WHEN HE OBSERVED A GREEN STATION WAGON PICKUP LHO RUNNING DOWN GRASS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ELM AND DRIVE OFF,either Ruby or Paine.MY ESTIMATE WOULD BE TIME AT LEAST 12:45 - 12:505 MILES TO RUBY'S APARTMENT 1:00left Ruby's and HEADED Toward HIS APARTMENT 1:10CAME ACROSS TIPPIT SHOOTER 1:20 NEAR 10TH AND PATTONI believe there is a better than good chance the shooter gave him the old junk pistol.CHANGED DIRECTIONS AND HEADED FOR TEXAS THEATER, not to meet anyonejust a quick place to hide as cops were all over the area. also the lady ticket taker at the theater changed her story about LHO not paying for his ticket..DROPPED JACKET NEAR CRAWFORD ST.ARRIVED AT THEATER 1:40He was sighted all along this routeIt all checks out on the map and looks to me like the very best possibilityThis is my story and I'm standind by it....the guy who killed Tippit, who actually came from LHO's apartment house looking for LHO gave him the junk gun thinking he would shoot it out with the cops and be killed and a quick easy end to it all.