JFK-murder-solving after being nuked?

[ChristophMessner]

As most of you know, the detonation of a huge H2-bomb in high altitude can send out an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) so strong, that all unprotected electrical devices like TVs, Computers, power stations of a continent might be switched off in a second. And the superpowers have thousands of those nuclear devices ... (More info for example here: http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm My question is: what is with JFK-murder-solving and -debating when the internet is dead? When all our posts are erased? Are we prepared for that? Maybe in the future the cencorship methods in the internet will radicalize and all internetpages the world government does not like will be erased, that would be like nuking the population in second degree: not only physical nuking, but psychological nuking. Are we prepared for that? After all, it seems that we tend to stare at possible false or real flag attacks by WMDs like the mouse in front of the snake, forgetting that the intention of WMDs is not so much in their physical outplay, but in their psychological outplay and power structure change effect; after an attack with WMDs the authoritarian police state is strengthened, but that does not mean that second and third attacks with follow, attacks by future super intelligent structures as well, which could shatter the remnant power structures into chaos. So it pretty much looks like the world is moving into a situation of pure orderlessness, in which nobody really rules anything, but the instincts plus uncontrollable machinality in a way that all are indifferent to all, it would be the permanent ethical nuking. Are we prepared for that?

[Dealey Joe]

Chris you are a little over my head here.What do you think about the possibility that in order for there to be disinformation there needs to be informationIf all the information were erased from the internet then we should have no problem identifing the disinformation.They like us to be doing this because it keeps us busy and unaware of the games they are playing.They want us watching the middle whilst they run a play around the end.We are trained to be sports minded, you play like hell for 60 min. and then someone blows the whistle and the game is over?Their games have no whistle, they play untill they win. if they don't win today no big deal just change strategyand play some more, elect a new president, appoint a new leader, start a new war in Afganistan, whatever.Whenever we decide not to play the games they concoct for us then things might begin to get tight fot them.Why do you thiink a guy playing football or basketball can make jillions of dollars a year. Are they worth it?I has been said 'The whole world Loves a Winner"Hell, even the JFK crusaders in the name of truth are led by money. Look at Gary Mack and crew.I suppose book sales even can make money. At least Gary had the wisdom to change sides and go where the money is flowing. They make their living selling books and tapes to a few of us whoare dumbass enough to set around and read and watch all their bullshit mostly for intertainment.How much is the truth worth? How much of a price can we put on the truth?In court a paid witness altho considered credible, does not carry the same weight as a testimony from an actual witness.the ones with the most money to spend make the truth for us, we are not smart enough to know the differenceor just don't care, or too complaicent to get involved.How do you win a game? do you study your opponent to see how he plays the game?or do you just go off half cocked and play your own game?Somewhere there is a big smoke filled room with a giant table with a few people there with long sticks moving things around on the playing field saying "lets try this" and see what happens.Your Thoughts?

[andries]

there is only one that rules and that,s mother nature although we sometimes try to prepare for her, we never seem to suceed on that.and that,s far more important and dangerous than having the illusion that man kind rules anything.

[Dealey Joe]

Andries we sometimes develope ways to get around Mother Nature,like gravity. jump out of an airplane and bounce off the ground.or defy nature and wear a parachute and hope it don't brreak.

[ChristophMessner]

Dealey Joe wrote:Chris you are a little over my head here.What do you think about the possibility that in order for there to be disinformation there needs to be informationIf all the information were erased from the internet then we should have no problem identifing the disinformation.Joe, thanks a lot for your great reply! Well, I just speculated a bit about the amount of nihilism in the newest technological developements as such. Our vulnerability and the vulnerability of the "most effective technical systems" as well. I wanted to pronounce, that it might be important to always keep in mind, how unfaithful or indifferent the technologies could be to our wishes of expression or mutual dialogue about moral or political questions. From one day to the other the internet servers could be blocked or the current could be off. What then? Dealey Joe wrote:They like us to be doing this because it keeps us busy and unaware of the games they are playing.They want us watching the middle whilst they run a play around the end.We are trained to be sports minded, you play like hell for 60 min. and then someone blows the whistle and the game is over?Their games have no whistle, they play untill they win. if they don't win today no big deal just change strategyand play some more, elect a new president, appoint a new leader, start a new war in Afganistan, whatever.Whenever we decide not to play the games they concoct for us then things might begin to get tight fot them. Who is "they" and are they really so brilliant in their concocting? Dealey Joe wrote:Why do you thiink a guy playing football or basketball can make jillions of dollars a year. Are they worth it?I has been said 'The whole world Loves a Winner"Hell, even the JFK crusaders in the name of truth are led by money. That's so true. Dealey Joe wrote: Look at Gary Mack and crew. I suppose book sales even can make money. At least Gary had the wisdom to change sides and go where the money is flowing. "... wisdom ..." hahaDealey Joe wrote:They make their living selling books and tapes to a few of us whoare dumbass enough to set around and read and watch all their bullshit mostly for intertainment. True. Dealey Joe wrote:How much is the truth worth? How much of a price can we put on the truth?In court a paid witness altho considered credible, does not carry the same weight as a testimony from an actual witness.the ones with the most money to spend make the truth for us, we are not smart enough to know the differenceor just don't care, or too complaicent to get involved. Well, nevertheless I would still say, that not everything is buyable. Dealey Joe wrote:How do you win a game? do you study your opponent to see how he plays the game?or do you just go off half cocked and play your own game? Both. Dealey Joe wrote:Somewhere there is a big smoke filled room with a giant table with a few people there with long sticks moving things around on the playing field saying "lets try this" and see what happens.True, but I guess, they oversee a lot on that table and under the table. Dealey Joe wrote:Your Thoughts?I hope our thought exchange makes you smile. Chris

[Dealey Joe]

Chris I always enjoy your remarks no matter how rediculous Yes if there were a detonation of any magnatude all the electronics could be wiped out.nothing would work, you couldn't start your car, lawnmower, TV, computers, watches,your cell phone and home phones, it would be the end of the world as we know it.Maybe Jesse's HARP could do it too?I can't see any of the super powers coming close to allowing it to happen.I'm not sure about some Sand Flea country trying it, depending on what they have to lose?I guess THEY, are the hidden elite, the folks who keep us running in circles.Anyone who does't believe in a major conspiracy has done very little research.

[ChristophMessner]

Dealey Joe wrote:Chris I always enjoy your remarks no matter how rediculous Dealey Joe wrote:Yes if there were a detonation of any magnatude all the electronics could be wiped out.nothing would work, you couldn't start your car, lawnmower, TV, computers, watches,your cell phone and home phones, it would be the end of the world as we know it. Well, maybe not, maybe things are sooner repaired than expected??? Dealey Joe wrote: Maybe Jesse's HARP could do it too? What's that? HAARP? Dealey Joe wrote: I can't see any of the super powers coming close to allowing it to happen.I'm not sure about some Sand Flea country trying it, depending on what they have to lose? Well, yes, but isn't it possible by unintentional accidence as well? Dealey Joe wrote: I guess THEY, are the hidden elite, the folks who keep us running in circles. Isn't it always possible to step out of the treadmill sideways? Dealey Joe wrote: Anyone who does't believe in a major conspiracy has done very little research.Yes. Especially the view into history shows that conspiracy is the rule not the exception. But maybe we should say "non-understanding or non-communication between different strati of society" better than "conspiracy".

[Dealey Joe]

Chris I truely hope you are correct about repairs.I am sure the government has all their sofisticated electronics blanketed with radiation protection.That technolagy is not available to us commoners.If this were to actually happen we would be busy with other more important survival issues.i don't want to believe it is possible to be accidental.if we had enough sense to step out sideways we most likely would not be doing it in the first place.The most we can hope for is to fall off. Look at all the knowlege on this forum alone and we still expect great things out of our leaders.We really don't yet believe the Big Conspiacy. We still think the government is on our side Wake Up America!

[ChristophMessner]

Joe, you have completely lost all trust in government people? So far it is amazing, that no big nuke was thrown on a major city since 1946, isn't it? To me it seems, that mutual deterrence works pretty reliable, like driving a car and avoiding to drive the other side or like each politician trying to safe his claim not to get eaten up by the other claim. On the other hand, one time out of 10000 it doesn't work. Would it be the fault of the government people then? More and more it seems to me, that we shouldn't blame "bad" individuals, but rather be reconciliative with anybody, cause we are all thrown into the same global technology we do not really master. Or do you think that is a fuzzy attitude? Chris

[Dealey Joe]

The bomb dropped on Japan pretty much brought the world to attention.Why I am not sure.The old boys who founded this country wisely advised us to put no faith in a central government, not to trust it at all and that when it retained too much power it would have to be overthrown and start over. They knew that power corrupts.Fault has to be laid at the feet of the citizenry. government is just doing what it does best, keep grabing more & more power.Like a great fire, if left unchecked will consume everything in its path.