The US debt - graphic!

[ChristophMessner]

On one of the most important political blogs in Europe http://www.alles-schallundrauch.blogspot.com you recently could see the graphic visualization of some amounts of money in 100$-notes: 100 Mio = one pallet, 1 Bio = 10 Pallets, 1 Trio = 10000 Pallets. 14 TRILLION dollars is the official debt of the US, not to speak about the inofficial. Where are these dollars now? Who owns them? China? If they won't be payed back, their value is zero. It's only the belief in money which makes it's value. Without the belief, it's just paper. Or digital numbers. I would like to have more of those numbers, though ...

[Dealey Joe]

Mr.Messner posted this thread on Feb.6 2010it never recieved one single response.and only 52 views?Seems like all the little conspiracyies, JFK, MLK, RFK, and others have done a good jobof keeping our attention from the overal reason for the small conspiracies To cover up theMAIN COSPIRACY, to control our very being and how best do that than through our finances.Since there actually is no MONEY we use worthless paper (Federal Reserve Notes) to do our bartering.It is only good because others still accept it as payment.The deficit is not in paper but in goods and services.If you trade 3 apples for 4 oranges, then you would be in debt for 1 orange unless you can convince someone that appes are worth more than oranges.Another way to shift the wealth is with compound interest understood very well by the Zionist moneychangers.The phoney bucks do allow us to barter, but at the same time it allows the powers that beto create all sorts of counterfit and steal from us just by printing more paper and giving it toyour neighbor or the guy down the road. In other words they can easily control who has the most barter power.Ladies and gentleman this conspiracy deserves a lot more attention.We do not need to be ignorant of the BIG CONSPIRACY.I know there are some great financial minds on this forum.Also I know this is probable not a populular subjectBut it deserves a great deal of atention and thanks to Mr. Messner for bringing it uo for discussion.Come on folks------------- get into the Great Conspiracy.or are you afraid to Rock the Boat?

[Bob]

I've said this more than once, but maybe the BIGGEST reason for JFK's assassination was the changes he was implementing to the Federal Reserve. Yes...there were many other reasons as well (Vietnam, Cuba, splintering the CIA, big oil, the mob), but missing with the Fed and big banking was a cardinal sin. JFK paid for it with his life. Look at the world today with the Fed and big banking. All the other things JFK tried to change are connected with big banking. As I've also said before, JFK saw the future and tried to change it. But 11/22/1963 made sure he didn't.

[Dealey Joe]

Seems like I remember something about Lincoln being killed because he wasgoing to print some us notes or something about currency?

[Michael Dell]

Dealey Joe wrote:We do not need to be ignorant of the BIG CONSPIRACY.Agreed. Always follow the money. The Federal Reserve is the root of all evil. Go back throughout history. Every president who opposed central banking has been assassinated. Here's what Thomas Jefferson had to say on the subject..."I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies … If the American people ever allow the private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -- Thomas JeffersonWhen I started doing conspiracy segments on my little fake radio show, I started with the Federal Reserve. Like I said, always follow the money. If you want to find out how the world really works, start with the Fed. Look into who owns those private Fed banks. Look into those families. It all becomes painfully clear after that.I went back and found the notes I used while doing the Fed segment. Then I'll return to provide some helpful links and resources...- American Revolution was fought to escape the central Bank of England. - Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof. That all went away with the Federal Reserve.- Just yesterday (May 12, 2009) it was reported $9 trillion are missing from the Federal Reserve in off-balance transactions. The government can't audit the Fed. Not allowed. Ron Paul wants to change that. - The U.S. has a fiat economy. It's not backed by gold or silver or any other physical commodity. It's paper printed out of thin air. They lend the money back to the United States through banks at interest. Our federal income taxes go directly to paying off that interest. The profit is then distributed amongst the shareholders - The Federal Reserve prints the money, but has nothing to do with the government. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank. No more federal than Federal Express. It's owned by 12 private banks, all with ties to the old banking families like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Schiffs, Morgans, and Warburgs. - In 1791, Alexander Hamilton pushed through a Congressional charter to create the First Bank of the United States in 1791. It lasted until 1811 when James Madison didn't renew the charter. But just five years later, in 1816, Madison changed his mind. No doubt bribed or threatened.- In 1828, Andrew Jackson addressed the central bankers in a speech and said: “You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out … if people only understood the rank injustice of the money and banking system, there would be a revolution by morning.” He spent the eight years of his presidency fighting against the central bank. Not surprisingly, in 1835, there was a failed attempt on his life. A man named Richard Lawrence, who had ties to the banks, pointed two pistols at him but both misfired. Jackson proceeded to beat him silly with his cane. Jackson succeeded in abolishing the central bank in 1836. The good times lasted until 1863 when the Rothschilds of England gained influence in Congress and got the National Banking Act passed, which established a central bank once more. - Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, and William McKinley all fought to abolish the central banks and were assassinated. - On November 22 1910, seven representatives for the wealthiest banking families in the world met off the coast of Georgia on J.P. Morgan's Jekyll Island. Over the next seven days, they devised the necessary banking reforms needed to establish the Federal Reserve. They also bought themselves a presidential candidate: Woodrow Wilson. In return for their support, he promised to pass the Federal Reserve Act, which was pushed through Congress on Christmas Eve 1913 when most everyone was on vacation. The U.S. has been at the mercy of the bankers ever since. - Bankers created both World Wars, funding both sides and profiting no matter who won. - The Fed created the Great Depression by cutting the money supply by one-third between 1929 and 1933. - In 1963, President Kennedy passed Executive Order 11110 which stripped the Federal Reserve from its power to loan money to the U.S. government. It also called for the printing of $450 Billion dollars in U.S. backed Debt Free currency and gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against the treasury’s silver holdings. Six months later, Kennedy was killed. That pretty much put an end to any presidents wanting to abolish the Fed.

[Michael Dell]

RESOURCESThe man who started pretty much all research into the Federal Reserve is the late Eustace Mullins. Mr. Mullins passed only a few weeks ago, but we all owe a debt of gratitude for his fine work. His book, "Secrets of the Federal Reserve," is the premier work regarding the subject. You can read an online version here...http://www.barefootsworld.net/fedsecrets_00.htmlI only found out about Mr. Mullins recently while interviewing Meria Heller, who is a wonderful woman and a leading voice in alternative news. Meria's podcast, which can be found at http://www.meria.net is amazing. Please give it a listen. In fact, I have a link somewhere to a podcast Meria did with Mr. Mullins, but I can't find it at the moment. I'll try to post it later. But here's a video of a presentation Mr. Mullins did in 2000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKEGxy7xFvMThe other great book about the Fed is G. Edward Griffin's "The Creature from Jekyll Island." Here are two videos with Mr. Griffin...G. Edward Griffin - Creature from Jekyll Island http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... b=1#Here's a lecture Mr. Griffin gave on the subject http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5528#OTHER FEDERAL RESERVE VIDEOSAaron Russo's "From Freedom to Facism" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 173#"Money as Debt" http://www.esoterictube.com/money-as-debt.html"Money as Debt II" http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 29C64F"The Money Masters" http://www.esoterictube.com/the-money-masters.html"The Gig Is Up: Money, the Federal Reserve, and You" http://www.esoterictube.com/the-gig-is- ... .html"Fiat Empire" http://www.esoterictube.com/fiat-empire.html(And as you can tell from some of the links, the site http://www.esoterictube.com is a wonderful resource for alternative documentaries and films. Please visit if you haven't already)

[Dealey Joe]

Thanks Michael for bringing back an old friend/aquaintance Barefoot Bob Hardison.I met him several times when i lived in Indiana he would come thru on his Gold Wingto visit friends there. He was quite a man, very unassuming and willing to talk.I was intrigued by his work on the 13th ammendmant and his unusual website that just continued to grow.I am enjoying looking at all the links.

[Michael Dell]

Dealey Joe wrote:Thanks Michael for bringing back an old friend/aquaintance Barefoot Bob Hardison.That's cool that you knew Mr. Hardison. I just found his web site while searching for a link to an online edition of Mr. Mullins' book. I'll have to explore the web site further...

[Dealey Joe]

I was sorry to see he had passed away last year.He was truely one of a kind.lived his whole life in the most fascinatiing and beautiful area of the U.S.Had a fierce appetite for freedom.Spent a good part of his life searching for a son he lost because of alcholism in his younger years.I don't know how he found time to do everything he did

[ChristophMessner]

Joe, thanks a lot for your kind words! If you all happen to have some time, watch the video "Benjamin Fulford interviews David Rockefeller" on youtube or google video and read also his website. Although he seems to be a tool of the Asian shadow governments (Black Dragon, Yakuza) now, the idea that the Asian contract killers can deliver a threat to the western money controllers, has got some plausibility in my layman's eyes. Also listen to "Project Camelot Interviews Leo Zagami - Part 1 of 3" and Zagami's website. Fascinating, isn' it? Chris