ALTGENS 6 AND ROSELLI OR NICOLETTI?

[JDB4JFK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ECm8Rww0At the 15 second mark of this film is it the person they say is Roselli or is it Nicoletti? I say it resembles Nicoletti, what does the forum think?JDB

[Bob]

Please take a look at this colorized close up of the Altgens photo of the Dal-Tex Building. Our own forum member Bob Franklin helped out here, as he circled the people in the window. John Hankey has used this same photo on his website. In my opinion, here is who I think was in the window. The person circled in blue is Chuck Nicoletti. He was the shooter. The person circled in yellow to the right is Johnny Roselli. The person circled in red and behind Nicoletti is Poppy Bush. Remember, Poppy was the main recruiter for Operation 40. Look at what Jimmy Files says about that...Jim Marrs : During that time, during the time of the Bay of Pigs, while you were training and moving around in the Caribbean, No Name Key and all that, did you ever hear the name George Herbert Walker Bush? James Files: Oh Yeah! Jim Marrs: What was his role? James Files: George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't know if, I think a lot of people are not going to believe this, but he worked for the CIA back as early as 1961 that I know of. Jim Marrs : How did he work? What did he do? James Files : I don't know all he did, but he did a lot of recruiting work. I know he was there at the beginning for what we called Group 40, a special operations group, Group 40. If you wonder what Group 40 was, an assassination group. Also, remember what Roger Craig told Jim Garrison, talking about some of the arrests made in Dealey Plaza."Jim also asked me about the arrests made in Dealey Plaza that day. I told him I knew of twelve arrests, one in particular made by R. E. Vaughn of the Dallas Police Department. The man Vaughn arrested was coming from the Dal-Tex Building across from the Texas School Book Depository. The only thing which Vaughn knew about him was that he was an independent oil operator from Houston, Texas. The prisoner was taken from Vaughn by Dallas Police detectives and that was the last that he saw or heard of the suspect."Does the arrested man sound like anyone you might think of?

[Bob Jonas]

Fascinating reading about Bruce's descriptions of Roselli and Nicoletti. I bet Jimmy's photos are quite the stunning collection!!!!!! Hopefully they see the light of day, even if just to our small cyber-community.As for the men in the Altgens 6 photo; I don't think I could say who anybody is based on the resolution. What intrigues me most, however, is the colorized image of the men in the window of the Dal-Tex Building. Could they be Nicoletti and Roselli? Possibly. Not sure why "Poppy" would be there. Makes no sense. If there was a third party present, it would most likely be Eugene Braden who was their "contact" that got them into the shooting location inside the building. Also, if the guy on the left is shooting, the person on the right seems to be very close to the muzzle of the rifle. Not sure that would be a good idea. All questions I have to investigate further in my mind.The other thing that intrigues me about the Altgens 6 photo is the man sitting on the fire escape very close to the alleged sniper's window. See the photo below as well as a detail close-up. Was this a lookout? Lots to speculate about. It was reported/suggested by Groden that the man had stumbled upon hearing the gunshots but if you look at Altgens 5, he appears to be sitting down already before the limo even made its left turn onto Elm Street. If I was to guess, it would have to be some kind of lookout or just a bystander wanting a view of the motorcade. If a bystander, then this raises the question as to why shoot when there was a man about 10 feet away on the fire escape.So many questions. So little information...

[kenmurray]

BB, just right click JD's link and it will come up on a different tab.https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 1QECm8Rww0

[Bob]

Bob Jonas, it makes perfect sense that Poppy was there. Why? Because he was the main recruiter of Operation 40 and several members of Op 40 were in Dealey Plaza that day. We know that Poppy was in Dallas. Bush had also given a speech the night before on 11/21/1963 at the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel to a meeting of the American Association of Oilwell Drilling Contractors. Poppy described himself in the ad which appeared in the Dallas Morning News as President, Zapata Off-Shore Co. Zapata was located in Houston.Again, look at what Roger Craig said about the arrested man coming out of the Dal-Tex Building after the assassination: "Jim also asked me about the arrests made in Dealey Plaza that day. I told him I knew of twelve arrests, one in particular made by R. E. Vaughn of the Dallas Police Department. The man Vaughn arrested was coming from the Dal-Tex Building across from the Texas School Book Depository. The only thing which Vaughn knew about him was that he was an independent oil operator from Houston, Texas. The prisoner was taken from Vaughn by Dallas Police detectives and that was the last that he saw or heard of the suspect."Here is another fairly clear photo that I believe shows Poppy near Elm Street.The man next to Bush with his back turned appears to be Ed Lansdale. It would also make perfect sense that Bush and Lansdale would be conversing with each other, since both played a key role in the planning of the assassination.Here is a photo of Lansdale walking by the three tramps. Bottom line, Poppy was not exactly well known on 11/22/1963. But everything went out the window (no pun intended) when he was arrested. Like the Three Tramps, Bush was never formally charged and was let go. That is also why he came up with that ridiculous alibi story saying that he was in Tyler, Texas at the time of the assassination. Here are four things you need to know about that preposterous alibi:1) Poppy was registered at the Sheraton-Dallas on both 11/21 and 11/22.2) Poppy said he called from Tyler, Texas (90 miles away)3) Poppy made sure he called an FBI friend (Graham Kitchel) with his alibi.4) Poppy named an associate (James Parrott) as the person who had threatened JFK.Parrott was so pissed at Bush about this outlandish revelation that he decided to work for Poppy's Presidential campaign.

[Bob Jonas]

I meant that it makes no sense for "Poppy" to be in the window during the shooting. Sorry for the misunderstanding. He very well may have been in the crowd, although I have a hard time seeing him as being the man that some think is him. To me it makes no difference and I don't waste my energy on whether or not he was there or not. He most certainly knew of the upcoming "event" as did a whole lot of others in the Agency so it makes sense that a swarm of them were in Dealey Plaza.

[Bob]

Bob, I agree that the other person in the window could be Jim Braden, as he was there. I base my opinion that it could be Poppy for three reasons:1) Poppy was the main recruiter of Op 40 and Johnny Roselli was the main go-between the Mob and the CIA.2) The arresting officer of the person coming out of the Dal-Tex Building after the assassination said that the man put in custody was an independent oil operator from Houston, Texas. 3) The third man's hairline standing behind Chuck Nicoletti in the photo looks strikingly like that of Poppy Bush at the time.Here is a photo of Prescott and Poppy Bush taken around that same time frame:

[Bob Jonas]

Didn't Roselli say he didn't want to go against the CIA order to abort the hit? If so, that is why I suspect Poppy wasn't there in the room with Roselli and Nicoletti. Assuming Poppy had any real say in the matter.

[Tom Bigg]

A couple points on GHW Bush; I had never heard him referred to as "Poppy" before seeing some of the alternative or conspiracy literature. I'm glad to see his bad actions exposed, but doubt he was in Dallas and pictured near the shooting based on the chronology of where he was that week.

[Bob Jonas]

I would love to know who that was on the fire escape and whether or not he was ever interviewed!