Who was John J Abt?
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John Zeroski
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Who was John J Abt?
LHO asked for John J Abt by name to represent him when he was held by the Dallas PD on the weekend of his death.As is well known, all attempts by anybody representing the legal profession ended in failure. He was denied legal representation.I am wondering if anyone in the JFK research community has read or knows of any material relating to Abt or any written material about his life, and, more specifically, how LHO would have his name.I have thought for some time now that LHO would have been given his name as part of the process of setting him up as the patsy.Recently I came across something about Abt in an internet piece by a fellow named Cliff Kincaid, who writes for the website News With Views.The piece is titled Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, and Panettagate. In it there are a couple of short paragraphs describing Abt as the head of the underground Ware cell of the communist party.Also mentioned is a book titled Advocate and Activist:Memoirs of an American Communist Lawyer.Anybody know anything about this book, or can direct me to any other source of information?
Re: Who was John J Abt?
Lee Harvey Oswald's request to be represented by Attorney John Abt is the Rosetta Stone in the JFK case..."The first proceeding to require a member of the Communist Party to register with the Attorney General ended today. Mr. Albertson's attorney, John J. Abt of New York...called no witnesses to the stand. The final Government witness, Albert Jackson, who observed party activities for the Federal Bureau of Investigation for four years, testified that he attended many Communist meetings with Mr. Albertson. Mr. Apt brought out that Mr. Jackson had received varying sums of money from the FBI. He asked the witness whether he expected to be paid in the future. 'After this is finished I guess I'm finished,' Mr. Jackson replied. 'And I'm finished,' Mr. Abt said, ending his cross-examination."- New York Times, 9/19/62.I have contended that Oswald was completely familiar with this case and Bobby Kennedy's, Hoover's and Abt's roles in it.The record shows Oswald tried to contact Abt for representation.As Mark North observed in "Act of Treason": "What is critical here is the fact that Abt defended alleged communists against the accusations of FBI informants. Oswald....readily identifies with this situation."His choice of Abt had to have caught RFK's attention. WHEN RFK ENCOUNTERED APT IN THE ABOVE QUOTED CASE, RFK WAS FORCING COMMUNISTS TO REGISTER IN RESPONSE TO HOOVER'S RABID ANTI-COMMIE SCARE RHETORIC, WHILE THE KENNEDY BROTHER'S CONTENTION WAS THAT A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE PARTY'S DWINDLING MEMBERSHIP WAS COMPOSED OF FBI INFORMANTS AND BOBBY WAS OUT TO PROVE IT.If Abt had represented Oswald, he may have protected his cover, freed him and got him access to RFK, which history has shown he certainly needed, considering the Hoover stonewalling of the Warren Commission, and the subsequent Johnson authorized frame-up.Had Abt taken a plane to Dallas, come Sunday morning, LHO, along with Abt, may have been on Meet The Press explaining how he had exposed the conspiracy and saved the nation (though this would most likely require blowing his cover) instead of suffering the effects of a close-range lead poisoning.Bobby knew who Apt was. Bobby very quickly thought the assassin was one of Harry Williams' guys and he told Harry so. I believe Harry confirmed LHO was one of his guys, but insisted it had to be a set up.Unless RFK had more knowledge of LHO pre-assassination than has been proven (and I believe he was aware of him), in my opinion it was Oswald's asking for Abt that snapped him to attention.Hoover was well aware of Abt AND his abilities:"They really didn't have a case against Oswald until we gave them our information....All the Dallas Police had was three witnesses who tentatively identified him....Oswald had been saying he wanted John Abt as his lawyer and Abt, with only that kind of evidence, could have turned the case around, I'm afraid." - J. Edgar Hoover - HSCA, vol. 3, pp. 471-473."He asked me first did I know a lawyer named John Abt....I said I did not know him, and he said, 'Well, I would like to have him represent me...' " - President of the Dallas Bar Association quoted in A.F. Newman's "The Assassination of John F.Kennedy", p.552.The HSCA document quoting Hoover is from a memo he wrote at approximately 4 pm (EST) 11/24/63, after Oswald had been eliminated. Assistant Attorney General Herbert J. Miller is enroute to Dallas carrying Hoover's instruction's to Henry Wade and Chief Curry. At 3:45 (EST) President Johnson talks with Texas Attorney General Waggoner Carr. Carr and Wade are the two ex-FBI agents, who will, two months later, inform Warren Commissioner J. Lee Rankin that Oswald was an FBI informant. This will be Hoover's only bump in the road, but it will be the point where the commission members face the fact that they have to take Hoover on or cave in to him.The memo continues:"All the talking down there might have required a change of venue....If they keep talking, perhaps the same will be true of Ruby.... Curry I understand cannot control Captain Fritz....who is giving much information to the press. Since we now think it involves the Criminal Code on conspiracy charge under Section 2-11, we want them to shut up. Furthermore, I have ordered the evidence to be secured by the Police Department."Most of us in the research community have encountered at least the next part:"The thing I am most concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public Oswald is the real assassin"When one views the assassination and cover-up in the proper context, that the Kennedys were at war with Hoover, it is much easier to grasp.When JFK died, the direct line to Hoover that Bobby had placed on Hoover's desk was IMMEDIATELY removed to Mrs. Gandy's desk in the outer office. When JFK's head was blown off, Bobby's legs were cut off and only Abt putting he and Oswald together could have connected the dots fast enough to prevent Hoover's cover-up and the Warren Commission's acquiescence to him, but now it was too late.
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John Zeroski
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Re: Who was John J Abt?
Another Hoover, Herbert by name, had compiled a Magnum Opus titled Freedom Betrayed, with the subtitle Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and its Aftermath, edited by George H Nash and published in 2011 by the Hoover Institute Press of Stanford U.It is essentially a scathing indictment of the FDR administration, a 957 page tome.It is divided into Volumes, Sections, and Chapters. Volume 1 is titled "A Great Intellectual and Moral Plague comes to Free Men". Chapter 4 of this volume is titled "Infiltration of Members of the Communist Party into the Federal Government".On page 35 of this chapter occurs the following:The case history of one early Communist cell in the Federal Government became known years after its inception through the confession of a repentant Soviet agent, Whittaker Chambers. He reported that his cell, wholly made up of party members, was established in the Department of Agriculture in 1933, soon after the recognition of Russia. The cell was originally under the direction of Harold Ware, then a department advisor. He was succeeded by Nathan Witt, (who in 1934 was appointed by President Roosevelt to the Nation Labor Relations Board) and later was followed by JOHN ABT. (My caps)It would seem that a great many Communists had penetrated the government during the Roosevelt years, forming a large interlocking organization that could move important members into various positions as needed. Abt was one of those people.It is now generally understood that communism was one of the tentacles of the NWO globalists, and that the so-called "compliant press" is understood to be another one of those tentacles.The federal government's looking into the communist phenomenon was no "witch hunt". When one realizes that these are the same forces that assassinated Kennedy, one understands that these forces have gained greater control of the political and economic processes not only in America, but in the world.