Phil Dragoo discussing the JFK Motorcade Route:

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06.21.2010 - Phil Dragoo and others discussing the JFK Motorcade Route, and the change.

03.08.2026 - What do know for sure or think today ?

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JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:51 pm

I am sure this has been discussed here a hundred times but Iwould like to know 1. When was the route change?.
2. What was the original route?3. how much different from the actual route?



JFK Motorcade Route:
Post by Phil Dragoo » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:11 am

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/03- ... e According to Horne V, Jerry Bruno, JFK advance man, and Jerry Behn,
Secret Service White House chief, lost to John Connally (as Lyndon's Boy John) in the choice of luncheon venue being
Trade Mart, which dictated the route.Route selected over Industrial as factories not thought "appropriate". November 21
in Houston was the Congressman Al "Wink" Thomas ceremonial dinner, a must-attend as far back as April when LBJ announced
JFK would be at a luncheon in Dallas.With all of that nailed down like cheap carpet it's clear the teams had a long lead-time.
It may have been the June American University speech and test ban, or it may have been NSAM 263 in October that were the
final turn-key switch.The history of the Depository and Byrd's setting it up and taking it down should be considered.And the
floor project on the upper floors established a security team (see Richard Gilbride's Great Elevator Escape Theory). http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/gilbride.htmlExtra credit: What's different about the Tampa motorcade on the 18th?



JFK Motorcade Route:
Post by Bob » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:23 am

Phil Dragoo wrote:http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/03- ... eAccording to Horne V, Jerry Bruno, JFK advance man, and
Jerry Behn, Secret Service White House chief, lost to John Connally (as Lyndon's Boy John) in the choice of luncheon venue
being Trade Mart, which dictated the route.Route selected over Industrial as factories not thought "appropriate".November 21
in Houston was the Congressman Al "Wink" Thomas ceremonial dinner, a must-attend as far back as April when LBJ announced
JFK would be at a luncheon in Dallas.With all of that nailed down like cheap carpet it's clear the teams had a long lead-time.
It may have been the June American Universtity speech and test ban, or it may have been NSAM 263 in October that were the
final turn-key switch.The history of the Depository and Byrd's setting it up and taking it down should be considered.And the floor
project on the upper floors established a security team (see Richard Gilbride's Great Elevator Escape Theory). http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/gilbride.htmlExtra credit: What's different about the Tampa motorcade on the 18th ?
Extra credit: What's different about the Tampa motorcade on the 18th?There were no Secret Service men on the rear bumpers
in the Dallas motorcade, as they were waved off by Emory Roberts at Love Field. There was also a jump seat between JFK and
the driver in Dallas, which contained John Connally and his wife. Those are just two major differences between the photo from
Tampa, compared to what happened in Dallas. There were many other differences as well, as Presidential security protocol was
broken in every way imaginable in Dallas. Just ask Emory Roberts, Bill Greer and Roy Kellerman among others.


JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:31 am

What I want to know is what was changed in order for the motorcade to pass the TSBD ?



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by JDThomas » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:37 am

If you look closely, I'll think that you'll find that there is a third Schutzstaffel officer in the front seat in Tampa as per normal protocol,
but no middleman was there in Dallas, to allow a straight-on frontal shot if the opportunity arose.Doug Weldon has had a lot to say
about this



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:41 am

If that car came down elm street just as that picture shows it would not have made any difference to James Files ability to pick him
off. Sitting Duck! Even guys along side would not have made difference.The sniper has the advantage.



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by kenmurray » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:57 am

JFK Assassination Secret Service -Agents Ordered Off Limo ? :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6Z_njS ... re=related


JFK Motorcade Route
Post by bob franklin » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:07 am

Joe, the motorcade was originally to proceed along Main, without deviation, as per the diagram on the 11/22/63 edition of the
Dallas Morning News. According to Jim Garrison, the original printing shows the parade route, whereas the version contained in
the Warren Report shows a square of solid gray where the diagram was. the gray square takes up 5/6 of the front page (On The
Trail Of The Assassins, p.117 - 119).I wouldn't be surprised if the conspirators hadn't replaced the gray square in the report with
the diagram/the diagram in the original edition of the paper since the publication of Mr. Garrison's book. Be a great thing for
someone residing in the Dallas area to check into...



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:20 am

I thought I had heard that the change was the two 90 degree turns on Main and Elm to go by the TSBDActually in order to get onto
Stemons north toward the Trade Mart being on Elm St.would have been necessary as there is no way to get on Stemmons off of
Main St.



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Michael Dell » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:42 am

Dealey Joe wrote:If that car came down elm street just as that picture showsit would not have made any difference to James Files
ability to pick him off.Sitting Duck!Even guys along side would not have made difference.The sniper has the advantage.Yeah, but I
think the fact the rear security was taken down proves the kill shot was meant to come from behind, specifically from the Dal/Tex
building in my opinion.



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:04 pm

I can agree with that. The riders on the rear would have blocked most any shooting from behind. What would have been the
repercussions of a SS agent being killed?



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Michael Dell » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:19 pm

Well, if one of those secret service guys gets hit, that's another bullet they'd have to explain. And they were trying to keep things
to three shots. But I reckon when you're shooting magic bullets, anything is possible...



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by dankbaar » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:34 pm

David Perry and Gary Mack maintain that it was not possible to get onto The Stemmons Freeway from Main street. Jack Rivell
(Dallas Police) assured that it was possible. The investigation that I have done, indicates that Mack and Perry were right. It would
be worthwhile for Dalles residents to check with people from that time frame. Jerry Craig or Dealey Joe?



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:46 pm

I don't have road information from 1963. My GPS maps show no on ramp from Main onto Stemmons. I will have jerry to check it out
if he is there before me. I know there have been changes to streets over the years.



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Phil Dragoo » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:06 pm

To reach the Trade Mart from Main Street the agents decided to use the Stemmons Freeway (Route No. 77), the most direct route.
The only practical way for westbound traffic on Main Street to reach the northbound lanes of the Stemmons Freeway is via Elm
Street, which Route No. 77 traffic is instructed to follow in this part of the city. ( See Commission Exhibit No. 2113, p. 34.) Elm
Street was to be reached from Main by turning right at Houston, going one block north and then turning left onto Elm. On this last
portion of the journey, only 5 minutes from the Trade Mart, the President's motorcade would pass the Texas School Book Depository
Building on the northwest corner of Houston and Elm Streets. The building overlooks Dealey Plaza,
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/wa ... .htmlApril 24 LBJ said JFK would be at a luncheon in Dallas that year.The Secret Service
destroyed files for the year from that date forward when ARRB requested all assassination-related records.Connally (Lyndon's Boy John)
bullied Jerry Bruno, advance man, and Jerry Behn, Secret Service White House SAIC, into accepting the Trade Mart venue, although it
had sixty exits and overhead catwalks.JFK was pressured into attending Congressman Al “Wink” Thomas' ceremonial dinner November 21
in Houston.Hence JFK would move from Love Field to the Trade Mart via Dealey Plaza because Main to Houston to Elms to Stemons was
the Route 77 Traffic Plan for the city at that time.The thing was set up—not four days ahead, on the 18th or 19th—in April.



JFK Motorcade Route
Post by Dealey Joe » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:24 am

Jerry has determined that there is no access to Stemmons North from Main and as you say the motorcade had to get over to Elm St.
to get onto Stemmons. I checked a 1963 map and the roads there were the same then as now.Actually Dealey was the end of the
parade. From there it would be highway speed to the Trade Mart. I had heard past remarks that the motorcade route had been changed
to go around Main on Houston and then Elm. So this is not true, as you say the route would have been chosen instead of changed. Now i
can quit worrying about this.